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Stable Genius said: Hmmm I've got no reason so far to think that President Sogavare has taken any bribes but corruption and misuse of the public's money are a problem for many developing nations.
Remember the 40 Maserati's PNG bought for the APEC summit? It turns out more than 300 luxury cars loaned to delegates and officials are unaccounted for !
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/24/papua-new-guinea-has-sold-just-two-of-the-43-luxury-cars-imported-for-apec
China is very good at exercising soft power and of course they want something in return but is it really sinister? I don't think so.
The U.S. government have military bases dotted throughout the entire world, I think it's obnoxious that they(and the Aus government) are threatening The Solomon Islands, especially when the agreement doesn't even say anything about any military bases being built!
And ffs they are 2000km away from us.
Also remember when the N.T. government leased the Port of Darwin to the Chinese company Landbridge? talk about hypocrisy.
In regards N.Z. turning Tassie into a Republic(that made me laugh too) if Canberra had been bombing the Taswegians for 8 years and they voted to declare themselves independent would anyone really blame them? 
I wonder if we could get New Zealand to invade Western Australia? just kidding.... sort of
I'm saying that China is doing smart colonialism, or just building ties well. They're not brute forcing all relations, they're making trade partners and doing it effectively imo, so I'm hats off to their essentially economic diplomacy. I don't doubt they've offered the Solomon Islands a good deal and quite often you don't look a gifthorse in the mouth.
There be corruption about alright, I don't know of any country that won't dabble in the ol quid pro quo.
If the Taswegians declared themselves a republic and then tried to overthrow the place with NZ provided weapons, would that not be an important factor to discuss?
The things that preceded the 8 years of battle etc.
This is a pretty uninformed guess atm because I haven't looked into too many specifics of this specific solomon china aus thing, but i wouldn't be suprised if because US doesn't like China and Aus likes US, Aus wants to make US proud by nipping at China, but China is massive compared to Aus and steps on the nipping and Aus gets sad cus China no listen to nibbles and US not impressed with AUs.
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Legacy media outlets are hosted by select pundits who are selected for their willingness and ability to be effective stenographers for the editor in chief of those companies. To be able to maintain a derelict overton window that stiffles meaningful discussion, to be able to deflect, obfuscate and avoid accountability, and to provide a neutrality bias though equating all players and their ideas as honorable.
Liberal, labor, anyone but Greens I don't see a hope of change. Even though I don't agree with everything the greens are for, like equity in regard to tuition (I'm for equality), they're atleast asking for things like a corruption watchdog to finally be implemented which scomo recently said would create a 'public autocracy', if you're able to decipher whatever that actually means.
I mean the dudes out and out anti accountability and it's beyond frustating to hear and see time and time again.
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Scott Morrison warns overly powerful Icac could turn Australia into ‘public autocracy’
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/04/scott-morrison-warns-overly-powerful-icac-could-turn-australia-into-public-autocracy
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For me, there's one ScoMo moment that stands out above all others. He will never be able to bullshit his way around this stunt.
https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2017/feb/09/scott-morrison-brings-a-chunk-of-coal-into-parliament-video
His climate credentials are shit, they were always shit and they'll continue to be shit. He's a two faced salesman not a Prime Minister.
I hope people remember the bushfires we went through and the floods we've seen these past 2-3 years and vote these fuckers out. Also, if there's one person I detest more than Morrison, even more than Barnaby Joyce, even more than Tony Abbott! it's Peter Dutton, that ex cop piece of shit is so fucking stupid he'll have us in a war if they get in again Remember when he forgot the boom mic was on and showed everyone what a complete arse he is?
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I'm saying that China is doing smart colonialism, or just building ties well. They're not brute forcing all relations, they're making trade partners and doing it effectively imo, so I'm hats off to their essentially economic diplomacy. I don't doubt they've offered the Solomon Islands a good deal and quite often you don't look a gifthorse in the mouth.
Yerp the China bashing needs to stop, it's a loose loose situation, we need smarter diplomacy.
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If the Taswegians declared themselves a republic and then tried to overthrow the place with NZ provided weapons, would that not be an important factor to discuss?
The things that preceded the 8 years of battle etc.
To use the Taswegians(I love that word) as an example we would need to add something like; after 8 years of Canberra bombing and terrorising Tasmania/ns because they identify as Nuu Zilandurs and speak Nuu Zilandish, Nuu Ziland decided to step in and do something about it.
Would Nuu Ziland be thought of as an invader or a liberator?
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/13/its-unprecedented-for-dutton-to-label-a-chinese-spy-ship-sailing-outside-australias-territory-an-act-of-aggression
Jesus Christ... this egg head needs to go, he should not be in government, let alone hold the position of Defense Minister. At least The Guardian can see through this blatant dangerous politicisation 9 days out from the Federal election.
I'm so sick of his bullshit war mongering ! His statements are picked up by millions here in this country and are whipping up nationalistic hysteria that is stupid, unreasonable, dangerous and uncalled for.
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The defence minister, Peter Dutton, has called the presence of a Chinese spy ship off the coast of Western Australia “an aggressive act” but his department was far more sober in its assessment and international law experts have poured cold water on the claim.
It is not the first time such Chinese vessels have been in Australia’s exclusive economic zone. So, given we are a week out from an election and the Coalition wants the narrative refocused through a “we live in uncertain times” lens, let’s put the politics aside and step through the facts.
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Dutton implored any voters concerned about national security or “the situation in the Indo-Pacific” to take the “much safer bet” of Scott Morrison as prime minister and him as defence minister. He said the Australian government was right to speak up “where we see acts of aggression in our own region”.

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(Prime Minister)Morrison in November 2021 was asked about a Chinese naval vessel in Australia’s exclusive economic zone. There was no talk of “aggressive” acts then.
“They have every right to be there under international maritime law, just like we have every right to be in the South China Sea,” Morrison said at the time.
It was a similar response in July 2021 when a Chinese surveillance ship was heading towards Queensland in an apparent attempt to monitor a joint military exercise with the US.
The People’s Liberation Army general intelligence ship Tianguanxing in the Arafura Sea on 11 July 2021 ‘They’re watching us’: Australia tracking Chinese surveillance ship heading towards Queensland Read more “We don’t raise any issue about that,” Morrison said. “Of course we watch them. We’re aware of that. And they’re watching us.”
that's the sort of response required not the stupid rhetoric coming from a stupid ex cop proving once again you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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An 'unprecedented' move from China..
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If the Taswegians declared themselves a republic and then tried to overthrow the place with NZ provided weapons, would that not be an important factor to discuss?
The things that preceded the 8 years of battle etc.
To use the Taswegians(I love that word) as an example we would need to add something like; after 8 years of Canberra bombing and terrorising Tasmania/ns because they identify as Nuu Zilandurs and speak Nuu Zilandish, Nuu Ziland decided to step in and do something about it.
Would Nuu Ziland be thought of as an invader or a liberator?
I think there is a mischaracterisation of events here because in the example the Taswegians and Nuu Zilanders decided to step in and do something before Canberra dropped their first bomb.
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Actually the grossly under reported missing piece in this fictional exercise, is that Canberra bombed Tassie because Tassie objected to the puppet government that was installed after those helpful pranksters at The National Endowment for Democracy(CIA) with the assistance of people like Victoria Nuland came to Canberra to help them with 'democracy'.
The pranksters and the Canberrans were angry that the Taswegians objected to being governed by a stooge puppet regime, were friends with the Nuu Zilanders, and thought they talked funny, so they helped stoke hateful far right ideology and encouraged militia groups to terrorise the Taswegians.
Nuu Ziland didn't think it was fair that the Canberrans were terrorising and bombing their friends and so after 8 years of failed talks and supplying arms to the Taswegians to match those being supplied to the Canberrans by the merry pranksters, they said fuck it we've had enough of this shit, and after an epic haka showed Canberra that it's not a good idea to screw with Nuu Ziland.
The merry pranksters laughed and laughed all the way to Lockheed Martins bank and said hooray! we get to fight Nuu Ziland without loosing a single merry prankster! How cool is this! We should talk those dorks in Canberra into doing the same shit for us with China in the Solomon Islands! as we are loosing our grasp on power.
All the pranksters said now be very quiet about this and get everyone to look the other way so we can do sneaky stuff whilst smearing China for assisting with economic development that would benefit both countries.
And after a short time they all lived happily ever after in nuclear fall out. THE END.
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Stable Genius said: Actually the grossly under reported missing piece in this fictional exercise, is that Canberra bombed Tassie because the Taswegians attacked Tasmania and the Nuu Zilanders came to help. Tassie objected to the puppet government that was installed after those helpful pranksters at The National Endowment for Democracy(CIA) with the assistance of people like Victoria Nulandcame to Canberra to help them with 'democracy'.
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The point I'm making is the U.S. and NATO are responsible for the provocation that led to this moment and there's plenty of evidence to suggest so I think it's critical to take that onboard if we are discussing the issue honestly.
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Anyway, there's another thread going on Ukraine.
The Federal election is next Saturday !
I'm still torn on whether to vote Labor or Green in the House of Reps. Shit I'd vote for Clive Palmer if it meant getting rid of Peter Dutton ! And I fucking can't stand Clive Palmer !
I'm similarly torn on voting for the Greens or the Australian Citizens Party in the Senate.
I agree with 95% of the Aus Citizen's Parties ideas,.. everything except their policy on climate change.
Aus Citizens Party's pros;
* Establishing a post office bank - this may sound like a backwards idea but it carries some weight in supporting local communities, underwriting people's investments, and putting the major banks on notice when it comes to competitiveness.
When we deposit money into a bank we are classed as unsecured creditors = the banks can keep our $$.
A Post Office bank, similar to the way the Commonwealth Bank was run before both Keating and Howard moved towards deregulating the banking system would ensure the government(our sovereign wealth)underwrite people's investments . It would also fund small to medium business enterprises and invest in infrastructure projects not shareholder returns.
*Amend the Banking Act which allows the banks to bail themselves out of their messes with our money.
*Compel the banks to compensate financial victims of their failed schemes.
*Impose a 0.1% tax on financial speculators and high frequency traders.
*Independent foreign policy. End Australia’s foreign policy subservience to the USA and UK by asserting an independent foreign policy in Australia’s national interest. A truly independent Australia would oppose disastrous regime-change wars!
* NO TO WAR with China. Quite simple really. Drop all the bullshit rhetoric and engage in effective diplomacy and friendship. The Belt and Road idea is not the bogeyman that Sky News likes to promote.
* End Australia's inhumane treatment of asylum seekers and refugees. Like geeez how many conflicts have we helped produce displaced people, lets do something about it.
* End the prohibition on the use of nuclear power. Australia should capitalise on having one third of the world’s known uranium reserves and plentiful thorium reserves to develop next-generation nuclear energy technologies that are safe, clean, affordable, and reliable.
* Bring Julian Assange back to Australia. It took me a while to understand what Assange was doing and he's not a criminal. He has exposed plenty of criminals though and that's why he's being hunted by the U.S. government. Screw those fucking war mongers.
Cons; I'm not cool with this and still looking into it but this is from their own website
* Climate Change. The Citizens Party rejects the hysteria of climate alarmism, and has exposed the politicised claims of climate change to be fraud. Contrary to the political charlatans such as Al Gore, there is a scientific debate on climate change, many scientists reject the fake "consensus", and CO2 is not a pollutant. While most alarmist scientists are not frauds, their climate research is not objective, but biased by the dominant green philosophy that demonises human activity and promotes depopulation. This is the intent of the Malthusian demands for energy austerity, which will crush the poorest people and nations.
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Todays the day! Make your vote count fellow Australian-based Homo sapiens….and have yourselves a great day.
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Just about to sit back and watch the results 
Remember when the 'bloated billionaire' arrived at Parliament House on his first day looking like the Monopoly Man? That's how arrogantly stupid he is.
And he always walks like he's shit his pants !
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With 0 seats called I'll predict the Labor Party will have to form minority government with a collection of minor parties
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Dutton has lost his seat !

Edit. Damn it, the ABC has rescinded the earlier call on Dutton's seat and is now saying it's too close to call.
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That was one of the best examples of people power ever 
The LNP lost the support of professional women in a big way in Victoria as well as swings of over 10% in at least 4 seats in W.A. towards Labor.
But the big news was both major parties being put on notice by independent, grass roots campaigns. The LNP were booted out resoundingly on issues across the board, including climate change, by the 'Teal Independents'.
Labor will be able to at least form a minority government but with 18 seats still undecided they may even sneak in with a 76+ seat majority and govern without the support of The Greens or other cross benchers. Fingers crossed they won't get to 76 and will have to deal with the independents.
At a national level both major parties lost support and the independents picked it up, it was spectacular to watch and showed how a functioning political system can work.
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Weird how the number of votes don't seem to count because in the end it's about seats. A bit electoral commission like.
The teals did well though, I had never seen or heard of them in QLD till the results today. No teals in QLD.
But hey Labor won, the corporate boot changed the colour of its socks..
A strong icac and teal influence sounds interesting though.
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Yeah the Teal candidates were mostly a female, Victorian thing, with David Pocock ex union player from The A.C.T., all independents, with a fired up ex Liberal Party base that was sick of the LNP's stand on climate change and women's issues etc, basically sick of being ignored and whoa did they do something about it! Simon Holmes Acourt put in some money but their campaign was 2/3? I think, funded by ordinary constituents.
Brisbane did well with 2 Greens seats and overall this was an election that was decided via people being fed up with inaction on climate change as well as inaction and lip service that didn't deliver on things like a Federal ICAC for instance. Western Australia simply didn't like the Morrison government.
Overall not a bad outcome and like I say fingers crossed Labor won't get the required 76 seat majority and are forced to negotiate with a cross bench full of fired up independents that want real action eg a 60% emissions reduction target by 2030, so we might see some real change.
I'd be hopeful Albanese will be able to reset relations with China and I think the Chinese would be happy to see a change in government to Labor as well.
As for Peter Dutton, he kept his seat and the commentators are saying he should be the next Liberal Party leader, my thoughts are if they want to guarantee they loose again then he's the man to do it
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When you're called an anti-liberal groupie, and called immoral for not donating your campaign money to domestic violence it don't sit well to stand there and take it imo.
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Former prime minister John Howard has savaged the high-profile “teal” independents running in once-safe Coalition seats as “anti-Liberal groupies”, urging traditional Liberal voters to stick with the party even if they feel disgruntled.
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The Liberal MP Jason Falinski, who is being challenged in his northern beaches seat of Mackellar by Climate 200-backed Sophie Scamps, said the amount being spent by independents was “immoral”.
It is expected that Scamps will spend more than $1m trying to win the seat, with a combination of traditional and digital advertising.
Falinski suggested that the independents could instead be directing their financial resources to charity, giving the example of much-needed emergency accommodation for women fleeing domestic violence as one worthy cause.
“I just think it is an immoral use of money; we have real problems in the world and for these guys to be spending $2m against members of parliament, when, according to them, they agree with their member profiles, is just immoral.
Sounds offended a woman would run against him 
Forreal though who tf is albanese and where has he been the last 6 months? I haven't seen a single story about him or anything he's said or stands for. An ICAC and that's it. He just seems biden esk, riding on a wave of disapproval for the other candidate and not actually standing for much of anything himself imo.
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Lmao at John Howard ha ha. John stop helping  And oh yeah there's been plenty of hand wringing at what went wrong. Tim Wilson was blaming everyone except himself, blaming the independent backers for ganging up on him blaming the ABC, but in the end he was just another far right Liberal trying to make out he was moderate when he is anything but, otherwise he would have done more for his electorate instead of pooncing around like his shit doesn't stink whenever he was interviewed.
Labor copped a loss in the primary vote and won this election with only 32% of the vote. I was glad to see Kristina Kennealy lost, I don't like her aggressive arrogance and looks like the voters didn't either, she was beaten by an idependent as well. Frydenberg was beaten by an independent!
Albo?... well lets give Albo 12 months to deliver, and see what he can come up with. I wasn't aware of this but apparently he was the person that dealt with the independents during the Rudd/Gillard government/s so he's quite an astute negotiator. I think he will grow into the role.... otherwise someone will stick a knife in his back and boot him out, because that's what we do 
If you get a chance have a listen to his victory speech, it was decent and hit all the right notes, but I know I'm a sucker for these type of things I always believe this shit 
From the 9 minute mark if you want the policies or watch the whole spiel for a few chuckles, there must have been a few drunken Labor Party members present
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