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Are you familiar with the Australian program "Q+A"?
They just kicked out a guy for saying he supports Russia.
If you watch to the end, you'll see the question he originally wanted to ask that they wouldn't allow.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly] 1
#27719663 - 04/03/22 04:18 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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sudly said: Fair enough, the dude advocated for violence.
Here is his question:
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As someone who comes from the Russian community here in Australia, I've been pretty outraged by the narrative created by our media depicting the Ukraine as the "good guy", and Russia as the "bad guy". Believe it or not, there are a lot of Russians here and around the world that support what Putin is doing in the Ukraine, myself included. Since 2014, the Ukrainian Government, together with Nazi groups like the Azov battalion, have besieged the Russian populations in the Donbas, killing an estimated 13,000 people according to the United Nations. So my question is where was your outpouring of grief and concern for those thousands of mostly Russians?
Given that 8 years of peace talks didn't stop the violence, what do YOU think Russia should have done?
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Given that 8 years of peace talks didn't stop the violence, what do YOU think Russia should have done?
Are you going to answer this question?
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
#27720153 - 04/03/22 10:08 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Pretty much everything you said above is just CIA talking points that have been debunked previously, but I don't recognize your username, and assume you missed it.
Too much for one post, but I'll start by pointing out that the coup in Ukraine was backed by the US and we put in our own puppet Government.
Don't believe it? Here's the recording of Victoria Nuland saying who we would put in charge (why does the US prefer coups to democratic elections???):
OH SHIT! It's been censored by YouTube, along with the video of John McCain pumping people up to overthrow their elected President, who was a little too Russia friendly for the US's liking.
Ok, I found another user that has it:
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Very good video, thanks! 
These types of analyses are what the mainstream news lacks.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly] 1
#27859947 - 07/12/22 01:23 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Ahead of the Pacific Islands Forum, Australia rejects peace plan with China to restore relations between the two countries.
Watch 6:38 - 10:16
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos] 1
#27864879 - 07/16/22 02:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: I mean, this was announced almost a year ago...It's part of Biden's plan to counter China, which has been building infrastructure there.
Is China not allowed to build infrastructure there? Only the West?
Or is there more to the story that I don't know about (I don't know much about Tonga or Kiribati).
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Sky News has an interesting piece critisizing Zelensky.
I'm not familiar with Sky News or Cory Bernardi, but he makes sense here.
It's got over a million views.
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Jefferson Earl, a political candidate for the Federal 2022 election in Australia sends a message to Vladimir Putin from Melbourne:
I don't know anything about him other than this video, but he's fed up with Western disinformation to Australia and is calling for truth. Have you heard of him?
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Too much of a religious fanatic for my liking, but otherwise he sounds reasonable.
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shivas.wisdom said: "the highly evil 💉"
"China releases a Bio Weapon on us"
"Coup d'état took place in Ukraine sponsored by Mr. George Soro"
"Natural immunity would have lead to virus extinction"
"New study on ivermectin finds 92% effectiveness at stopping death from COVID"
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He sounds reasonable to you? Why don't you just be upfront and say 'people who confirm my bias appear more reasonable to me than people who challenge it'.
I'll be upfront and say people who have evidence-based arguments appear more reasonable to me than people who make believe. Which of the above (other than "highly evil" which is subjective), do you believe has no evidence?
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shivas.wisdom said: to preempt a rehashing of your ol' Ukrainian coup argument, that quote is specifically about attributing events to George Soros.
Soros' International Renaissance Foundation funded organizations and news channels that encouraged revolution in Ukraine rather than waiting for the next scheduled election.
Maybe you're a fan of violent revolution, but regardless, Soros' money fueled things that encouraged the coup.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: koods] 1
#27983343 - 10/05/22 06:38 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Oh ya, well you're a big fat poo poo head too (if that's how you prefer to debate).
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shivas.wisdom said: Turning 'International Renaissance Foundation funds Ukrainian NGO's' into 'George Soros sponsored a coup d'état in Ukraine' isn't an evidence-based argument
More like 'International Renaissance Foundation funds Ukrainian NGO's pushing revolution in Ukraine.
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shivas.wisdom said: Okay? That's still a far cry from 'George Soros sponsored a coup d'état in Ukraine'. An evidence-based argument would detail how Soros is personally behind decisions made by the IRF, and how the IRF is responsible for decisions made by the relevant NGO's, and how those NGO's are responsible for the events in 2014 Ukraine. Otherwise, 'George Soros sponsored a coup d'état in Ukraine' remains a conspiracy theory.
That's like saying you want 100% proof rather than greater than 50%. Enlil's favorite strategy.
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shivas.wisdom said: What evidence are you aware of for the other quotes in my post?
Your post literally included a link to the ivermectin evidence. Here's one link to the actual study.
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To say George Soros had no idea what he was funding is ridiculous.
As for your second point: - https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/study-claiming-ivermectin-reduces-covid-19-mortality-by-92-has-important-methodological-problems/
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Misleading: The study by Kerr et al. contains several critical flaws. Notably, it analyzed data in such a way that led people who developed COVID-19 to be excluded from the group of regular ivermectin users, regardless of their actual ivermectin use. Therefore, COVID-19 patients are underrepresented in the group of regular ivermectin users, making this group appear to have a lower risk of COVID-19 death compared to irregular users or non-users.
I read the report, and it said it "excluded from analysis Positives of COVID-19 until 07.07.2020". Given that the study began on 07.07.2020, and that it was about "Regular Use of Ivermectin as Prophylaxis for COVID-19" that approach TOTALLY makes sense, and I don't understand the problem.
- https://retractionwatch.com/2022/09/19/journal-says-ivermectin-study-met-standard-for-credible-science I don't see the issue here either, other than other publishers retracted the article. It also cites problems some of the researchers had with OTHER studies not relevant to this one. Nothing debunks the information in the report.
- https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-ivermectin-covidmortality-idUSL1N30K205/ This article says they think people taking ivermectin may not have taken as much as they actually claimed. If true, that means ivermectin was actually MORE effective than the study shows.
None of these are good criticisms.
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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: koods] 1
#27983551 - 10/05/22 08:20 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Ivermectin does not work. Full stop.
Ooh, hard to argue with that strong of an argument. I'll try using your methodology:
Ivermectin works. Full stop and a half!
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#27983646 - 10/05/22 09:13 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: There have been plenty of double blind randomized studies now that show no benefit whatsoever.
Why don't you post one? I'll seriously give it a look.
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koods said: Why do some studies from developing countries show a benefit?
Because big pharma doesn't have as much to lose in developing countries.
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koods said: Regardless, the verdict has been in for months, ivermectin is a useless drug to treat covid.
The study in question wasn't trying to treat Covid with ivermectin. It was looking at it as a prophylaxis.
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This article says they think people taking ivermectin may not have taken as much as they actually claimed. If true, that means ivermectin was actually MORE effective than the study shows.
Worst medical take ever. How reliable is a study of the participants don’t even follow the protocol?
It may not be super reliable, but again, if people who were supposed to take a certain amount weren't taking that much, and they still showed a significant improvement, that means ivermectin was even more effective than the study claims. Similarly, if people who weren't supposed to take ivermectin were taking some, that means that control group was catching COVID less than they otherwise would have, and once again, ivermectin was even more effective than the study showed.
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shivas.wisdom said: It's ridiculous to point out that conjecture is not an evidence-based argument?
I think it's fair to say George Soros knew exactly what he was funding. No, I can't guarantee it, but I'd certainly bet on it.
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shivas.wisdom said: Furthermore, the links I provided consist of a lot more than your summary suggests
If I missed something important, please share it.
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shivas.wisdom said: if you're comfortable with the conclusion why not go on record here saying you believe ivermectin is 92% effective at stopping death from covid
Based on the evidence in that study, and the lack of counterevidence presented, I am comfortable saying that ivermectin is 92% effective at stopping death from Covid if used as a prophylaxis. Counter-evidence could easily change my mind.
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shivas.wisdom said: we can move on to "China releases a Bio Weapon on us"
Here's a good summary.
If you don't like Saagar Enjeti or Krystal Ball, just read the Government staff report referenced therein.
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shivas.wisdom said: ...and "Natural immunity would have lead to virus extinction".
Per your original link, he's talking about "immune escape", which is a real thing for COVID 19 discussed by the NIH here.
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