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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27471331 - 09/17/21 05:29 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Australia doesn't have nuclear weapons, probably because they figured the U.S. would be there to bail them out, which probably isn't going to happen. Given geopolitical reality, they will come under China's sphere of influence. I don't think China wants to take them over, like Hong Kong and Taiwan, but Australia will have to make some serious accomodations. I'm thinking something like Finland during the Soviet reign.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27474063 - 09/19/21 08:19 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Could you give me a short summary on the submarine deal. I've been superbusy with work and school, and haven't made it beyond headlines.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly] * 1
    #27474114 - 09/19/21 08:47 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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You are voting for someone to read the polls of the public and to represent a democratic will.

A million or one, they have a job to do and making them do it comes first.

The responsibility to represent the democratic vote is what matters. I

All I'm for is an equal opportunity, a good starting position for everyone to get themselves a foot up in life to be able to contribute more in the future.

We did not give control to the rich people per say, they propagandised the public through a set Overton window that the media represents (e.g. lower tax for rich, more spending for military), to lead the public to vote for people who called themselves representatives of the public then failed in being a representative of the public because lobbyists lobbied them not to.






I wouldn't say Joe went full socialist, but he gave a rather good performance for a postion at about Bernie Sanders level of socialism and Bernie only has about 10 or less collegues who will vote with him on this stuuf, some more who might vote for specifis issues and bunch of liberal dems who say these are important issies and then don't vote that way. It's a step. A lot of younger poeple are expousing prosocialism attitudes and they need all the help they can get in feeling these views are normal and worth working for. I frequently give up, but then some people stick their neck out, evergize the left and I have some moments of faith. Unfortunately these moments have been brief. Joe's not perfect, he has some baggage (but not that murder conspiracy theory whih is rubbish. If he wants to join the progressives full time he should be welcomed, but it will take longer to asses his committment level and motives.

Hey since the Australian politic thread is the only one currently on the forum that is active other than covid, so I appreciate you guys braching out to U.S story till  we see if the forum makes a comeback. And I will make an effort to learn more Australian politics,


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27475371 - 09/20/21 08:54 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Could you give me a short summary on the submarine deal. I've been superbusy with work and school, and haven't made it beyond headlines.




That video that Mach z 800 posted is a good one and definitely worth watching.

Here's a couple of interesting sidelines to the main story.

I don't know if you recall Prime Minister Scott Morrison having a face to face with Biden at the G7 earlier this year and suddenly Boris Jonhson crashes the party and people at the time were like wtf is Boris up to?... :awesomenod:

Also, it appears Morrison waited until Trump was gone and purposely never discussed this with orange man even though secret discussions were taking place for the last 18 months. lol FU Donald

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/16/diplomacy-dialled-up-to-11-australia-saddles-up-with-us-as-indo-pacific-heads-for-cold-war




That's not surprising. The top brass of the U.S. military also quit bothering to talk to Trump and had discussions behing his back, even with the General Secretary of the CCP.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Kryptos]
    #27475508 - 09/20/21 10:50 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

In China I think they shoot people or imprison them for life for major corruption. I'm sure they're very selective about who gets charged.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Oz_Salvia]
    #27578241 - 12/12/21 04:18 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

You guys are the only ones active on the political forum lately. If you don't mind, I would like to ask a couple questions. What political parties are the relevant ones in Australia? Do they usually have to form coalitions?

Another thing, I read about 4 years ago an article in Rolling Stone about Western Australia being an ecological disaster because they built it up and brought the water in from elsewhere, which sounded a lot like the Western U.S., probably more accurately South Western.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27857078 - 07/10/22 09:30 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Is there any accuracy that the Australian PM could block Assange's extradition to the U.S.
I keep running across this story, but the Brits are keen on playing nice with the U.S.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27865717 - 07/17/22 04:34 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I got 996 from several sources.  9am to 9pm 6 days a week. They said it was coming under scrutiny. That was the office people. Another source said 40 hours per week was standard, but that could get pushed if need arises. Most sources agreed that everyone gets at least one day off. Couldn't find anything about the actual peasants.

If abuse of labor is common in the U.S. I would have a hard time believing it's not worse in China. European labor are more organized and have much better conditions. I'm not holding my breath waiting for conditions to improve in the U.S. or China.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27865748 - 07/17/22 05:32 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Yes, I read there are a lot of regional differences as well. All of East Asia can produce and sell products at prices that the West can't possibly compete with, but it requires a lot of exploitation of labor.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #27933130 - 09/04/22 06:01 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I couldn't watch the whole thing due to the hour and my current biochemical state. What I heard sounded balanced.

I guess the rest of the world which was applauding him, didn't catch on for a while that this was playing very differently in Russia; I'm not sure if it was immediately, but soon enough they didn't like it.

I'm still confused how and why the Communist Party gave him the keys to the kingdom.

I'll try to watch it all later.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #27944835 - 09/11/22 06:10 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Cool Brian :thumbup: I really like Phillip Adams even though I sometimes disagree with him. He's a very interesting journalist and a walking encyclopedia.

He was a member of the Australian Communist Party and had an ASIO(= FBI) file at 16 years of age! but don't let that put you off, he's actually anti Putin and no longer a card carrying communist.
The programme I linked had a shortened version of his interview with Gorbachev but the ABC also linked the original uncut interview as a podcast as well  :thumbup:

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/interview-with-mikhail-gorbachev-2006-/101393096?utm_campaign=abc_radionational&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_radionational




I had time to listen to the whole thing. It was good. I can totally identify with the narrator going from communist to social democrat. I would like to find a book or a really long internet article that was balanced, dealing with the power dynamics with the Gorbachev phenomena. It was a closed society, and will we ever know about the internal debates they were having? It really is a riddle of history to me, but assumably the communist party was very divided at the time.

When Andropov came in major change was expected but he died quickly, and Chernenko was a step back from reform. I remember telling my students that the next leader would bring real change because that was the direction they were going, but Gorbachev went farther than anyone could have anticipated.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27985797 - 10/07/22 03:46 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.



I don't think it's "authoritarian politics" anyone finds enticing.  It's a refreshing breath of honesty and common sense.

I considered myself liberal, but liberals in the US have become the party of war, censorship, and make believe.




IMO it's not honesty or common sense. For some, it's a refreshingly different version of the complete bullshit propaganda that every powerful country spews, and it carries more weight because they're powerful countries.

In the U.S. there is no partisanship on the issues of war, censorship, and make believe. Trump was maybe a couple percent better on war, and took make believe to such an extreme that it may have made even a semblance of truth irrelevant. I'll grant you that the liberals might be worse on censorship now, but that's an issue that requires analysis. Liberals inhibit and sometimes ban public speech. Conservatives want to prevent school children from having any exposure whatsoever, from books or teachers on certain subjects. On both sides the right or wrong, or appropriateness for children, should be determined on a case by case basis.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27989517 - 10/09/22 04:03 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.




If you got the time have a listen to Elisa Barwick and Craig Isherwood talk, they're sensible centrist's not fringe dwelling looneys.

I'm sick to death of this idea that only the left or the right can have good policies, it's obstructionist thinking that doesn't deliver good outcomes.

What the hell is wrong with being friendly with China anyway?... which is something they discuss, have a listen :shrug:




Right what's wrong with aligning with a political party that solidified its power through terror and the killing of 50+ million Chinese?

Your own country knows what's up

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-31/australia-treasurer-plans-trade-outreach-to-slip-china-coercion

The more China expands its influence in the region, the more it will seek to bend countries behest to it - to its will.





Little known fact: Chinese communists invented violent revolution and the concept of geopolitics. That’s why they continue to wage wars like madmen all over the planet, killing millions of innocent people for no other reason than to stem the spread of an ideology hostile to theirs.




Good sarcasm. China has kept their worst behavior close to home. We'll have to wait and see how they do when they're the hegemon. I'll probably live just about long enough to find out.

China is a new breed: Business Communists. All things considered I'm appalled, but still impressed.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: sudly]
    #27989531 - 10/09/22 04:41 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Naturally the country has the parallel to our right wing which finds the authoritarian politics of china and russia to be more enticing.




If you got the time have a listen to Elisa Barwick and Craig Isherwood talk, they're sensible centrist's not fringe dwelling looneys.

I'm sick to death of this idea that only the left or the right can have good policies, it's obstructionist thinking that doesn't deliver good outcomes.

What the hell is wrong with being friendly with China anyway?... which is something they discuss, have a listen :shrug:




I'd be careful of introducing a neutrality bias here. Every political party has a range of good to okay and poor or bad policies they put forward.

The priorities of the policies each party puts forward are usually clear to see, all though sometimes in hindsight because there are trends of putting lipstick on policies when it comes to representing them on tv stage.

Admittedly when it comes to China all I really know is they tend to use economic colonialism over classic colonialism.




Yes, economic colonialism vs classic colonialism, which I usually think of as imperialism vs neo imperialism. Colonialism went in stages. I'm overgeneralizing here, but the Spanish wanted the subjugated to convert religions or die, then the British modernized that into we just want to economically exploit you, but it was still colonialism. The Americans popularized neocolonialism where you economically exploited them without taking over their country (except sometimes they did), but the political manipulation that involved begs the question of how different it really was. The form did change however.

China is following the current model with the rest of the world. But Hong Kong is legally theirs and Taiwan IDK, but either way I think China would be better off just taxing those two cash goldmines.

That's what puzzles me about Russia, which seems to have reverted a century in style, and the costs benefits equation doesn't add up.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28128809 - 01/07/23 04:27 AM (1 year, 20 days ago)

I had to google that one. Sam Kekovich was hilarious and encouraging that someone of Croation descent (pretty sure) reached that level in Australian politics. It reminded me of when Jesse Jackson read Green Eggs and Ham on Saturday Night Live. White people can rhyme too.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #28422697 - 08/06/23 05:07 AM (5 months, 19 days ago)

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HE DAY AUSTRALIAN SOVEREIGNTY DIED




I wont argue with the substance presented in your link. No matter how slanted it was informative.

All the Pacific allies will be increasingly entangled in our web. There are two powers on earth and the Pacific is where it's at. Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and South Korea are already attending NATO meetings (which needs a name change or a geography lesson).

I think Europe anticipated this and realizes THEY have to contain Russia more or less by themselves. Any GOP anti-miltarism and isolationism rhetoric is complete bullshit. Both parties know the China issue is center stage, economically for sure and militarily to some undetermined level; new form of cold war while still trading, probably proxy wars, and hopefully not beyond that. This is completely different from the U.S./Soviet cold war because U.S. and China are so economically interdependent, even while vying for world supremacy.

But back on topic, I had to LOL FW when googling the bias of your source. The first 4 entries said:
Registered in Russia, based in Crimea (my comment, who knew the Crimeans were this interested in Australia)
Online disinformation and propaganda site
Heavy on conspiracy and pseudoscience
A fascinating hybrid of detailed military intelligence and totally bogus stories

Yeah these were Western biased interpretations, but even RT gets much better ratings from them.

The world changes but it stays the same. Idealistically countries should strive to maintain their autonomy, and U.S. allies are mostly more progressive than us. But to some extent every country of value (however measured) will be China's bitch or our bitch. They could rebel against that, but historically not that many and not that much. They go along willingly.

India is the one I'm not sure about. They're in the BRICs meetings but they also have fatal border clashes with China. India is a big world economy, and always knew how to play off the superpowers. IMO they're still a swing state.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: christopera]
    #28422760 - 08/06/23 07:37 AM (5 months, 19 days ago)

I was confused about the concern with Australia cause just thinking about Russia and Ukraine and not the big picture. With the AUKUS deal Australia allied with U.S. after decades of a neutrality stance regarding China.

That link was Russia staging propaganda for China, as much as against U.S. There is no doubt who's the big dog and who's the little dog.


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Re: The Australian Politics Thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #28505119 - 10/15/23 05:17 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

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I live in the Florida state of Queensland  :shrug:

Was there much media reporting on this in your part of the world gww? And if so what was the general take on the No outcome?




Curious on the Florida comparison?
Beaches and tourists?
Extreme political pushback against woke?
Last team to go undefeated?


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