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A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals...
    #2726669 - 05/25/04 08:42 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

web page <--It is a pretty good read.


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Re: A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2727331 - 05/25/04 01:06 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Great page, the results of the poll to the right of the article is pretty interesting. Myself, I'm of the 'Where armies march, thistles and nettles grow' (Tao Te Ching paraphrasing) view. I bet the results of the poll would be different if it were asked to people who weren't in the process of reading that article.


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Re: A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals... [Re: Panoramix]
    #2727446 - 05/25/04 01:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed, I hear you there.. I'm willing to bet a large number of people who read that article would have voted differently prior to reading it.


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Re: A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2727579 - 05/25/04 02:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Good article. I'm pretty sure I've heard of that monk before. I really liked:

"Soldiers are trained to believe they must kill the other group because they are not human beings. If soldiers see their ?enemies? as fellow human beings just like them, they would have no courage to kill them."


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Re: A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2727826 - 05/25/04 03:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If only everyone had this insight. Sigh...


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Re: A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals... [Re: deff]
    #2727935 - 05/25/04 03:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It's funny, I was talking to this guy from the Czech Republic and this girl from Mexico about the role of military in our various countries, and they said that to their experience a fair percentage of Canadian reserves are people from other countries who enjoy the relatively high salary being in the reserves generates. They aren't particularly keen on dying for anything, though. Canadian troops, if called upon, are more likely to be involved in peacekeeping; which is more of a 'Keep A and B from fighting, and by the way, some people of both A and B might try to kill you' approach than a 'We are A, we are at war with B. Go kill as much B as you can!' mentality. And the reserves generally only ever get used to dig Toronto out from under a snowstorm or stop flooding in the prairies or clean up Halifax after a hurricane. Seems like the way the army ought to be. And it shouldn't be THAT expensive. Seriously, if I was paying the taxes I do and was having more of that money go towards guns and bombs than schools and free hospitals, I'd be downright irrate.


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Re: A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals... [Re: Panoramix]
    #2728040 - 05/25/04 04:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, our country's view on the military is, in my opinion, one of our strong points. Sure, if some crazy army started invading, we wouldn't have much of a military to stop them ourselves. But the fact is that this doesn't happen when you don't start beef with other countries first. America's military funding is backed up entirely by the fear of possible danger, mainly portrayed through the media. Use the money on something that's important instead, like health care! :smile:


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Re: A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals... [Re: deff]
    #2728099 - 05/25/04 04:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

> If only everyone had this insight.

Everyone does have this insight... is is unfortunate that most of us choose to ignore it.  :frown:


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Re: A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals... [Re: Seuss]
    #2728131 - 05/25/04 04:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Very true. I rephrase it then...

If only everyone had the insight not to ignore this insight. :smile:


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Re: A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals... [Re: deff]
    #2728289 - 05/25/04 05:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Use the money on something that's important instead, like health care!




That should not be the responsibility of the federal government. Health care is a privelage and if you view it as a right to be secured by the government than money must be coerced from the people to pay for it (taxes). I would prefer the smalllest possible central government and I would prefer to pay less taxes.

*However*, since the federal budget is already trillions of dollars, then it seems the solution would be to clean up the way federal money is spent. If we could eliminate all the federal waste, we probably could pay for everyone's healthcare without having to allocate more taxes. If I ever became an "activist", I would join ranks with Citizens Against Government Waste or whatever it's called.


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Re: A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals... [Re: Viveka]
    #2728299 - 05/25/04 05:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I was just saying that *if* they tax us, they should spend the money in a way to benefit us, like health care :smile:


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Re: A monk's take on Iraq abuse scandals... [Re: Viveka]
    #2728989 - 05/25/04 07:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Take a look at how much of your money is being spent on military by your government.  Those are your guns killing people in Iraq, your landmines being shipped to insurgency groups, your soldiers in your uniforms.  The military only exists because the people or their supposed representatives give it sanction to.  Just spend one trillion less on weapons and direct it towards something that's actually in the interest of the people and you'll be amazed at how you'll reap the collective rewards. 

For goodness sake, sonny, don't you think you've got enough  :rockets: :sniper: :machinegun: :machinegun: :rockets: already?


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