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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27255858 - 03/16/21 04:22 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

TBH if I was still dealing with a pest 4 months later I would have scrapped the grow long ago. You're taking insane measures to salvage plants that you could have regrown from seed by now. If you re-discover an infestation mid-grow these seem like good steps to get through harvest. But it also seems like you've screwed yourself by going hard, then keeping the plants around to wait and see if they're clean. Maybe just accept that it's out of your control and let the room breathe for a month while you shop new genetics and re-seal the grow. :shrug:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Icon]
    #27256441 - 03/16/21 11:07 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

No, I couldn't have, it's not something that started this round man, it's started 2 rounds back. I mean, I'm like wake the fuck up man, these things don't get the fuck out cause you get the fuck out, no, they will follow you the fuck around and start back up from nowhere, that is the fucked up thing about them, you can clean the whole room with bleach, replace all pots, lights, soil, give everything sulphur fuming rounds for days, start back up, then your sweater sleeve touches an outdoor wall that has remnants on em and boom, you're back to square one. I don't even know where they keep coming from, and that is exactly why I said  I HAVE GONE FROM A THEORETICAL BELIEVER TO A PRACTICAL EXPERIENCER; you can hit them with whatever and quit and re-start however many times you want, you are never going to be sure you eradicated them. There are growers with years and years and years of experience growing entire businesses of pot, succesful ones, who tear EVERYTHING wood out, replace it ALL by plastic, have EVERYTHING doused buy hot caustic solution, costing over 20.000 bucks, removing all plants, including mothers, cuttings, EVERY LAST DAMN LEAF WET OR DRY, and it still might not have solved jack shit months later. You should start looking at youtube vids from very experienced growers (you can recognize them by what they say about plants, they know their shit) and see what they have to say, it's really un freakin believable how hard they are to rid, even when you quit your grow for 2 months.

I got jars to fill and pains to kill, ain't got no time to quit growing for 2 months only to start back at square 1, I gotta roll with the punches, and it works, but it's not easy and it can bring a man down.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27256609 - 03/17/21 02:47 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

anytime!! i LST the hell out of mine, you should be fine doing some gentle training. i did periodic defoliation on mine too & it seemed to handle it well. new auto genetics are supposed to be getting very good, so i think they'll do great soaking up the sun outside. you might find you don't even need to train them much. the short grow cycle of autos is also such a plus. hopefully you'll be able to squeak out two grows this season!! do you have strains picked out?


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27257060 - 03/17/21 09:50 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

My experience with auto's and trimming them, is that they take it well up to a certain point, that point being not that far into the trim, but some auto's seem to tolerate a near-defoliation at the right time a lot better than others it seems. Well either that or I got better at guestimating the right time for havier prunings... They sure are more finicky in that regard.

I agree with them getting better over time, though I also feel the dried buds coming from auto's need less curing time to get at their prime point.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27257104 - 03/17/21 10:14 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sure it's frustrating but there's only so many ways they could be getting back in or staying around. They can't teleport. That's my point with getting a fresh start, at least you'll get a chance to identify oh hey, they got back in this round after my sleeve brushed the wall outside. Whereas now you have no idea if they're being reintroduced or just not exterminated completely. And you're trying so many treatments at once you can't be sure which ones are worth the time or not. It's way more than I can keep up with anyway, can't keep track whether you tried a fresh start or not. All your pest posts from the past few months that I've seen indicate you're still hosting them with various stages of plants. Getting rid of the hosts is always going to be the most simple and effective step so shouldn't it be the first one? Especially if they're this stubborn I'd think you're spinning your wheels without that step.

If the room isn't sealed I'd start there. It took me about 6 months last year to completely remodel my grow room. I've refinished every surface and can say with 100% certainty there are zero leaks. It was a long project and I went all out, didn't leave a single hair so to speak. The hardest part was stopping the grow for several months but the peace of mind is worth it. Cannabis indoors is all about environment control and having a sealed room feels powerful and reliable like a fist. It's the foundation for all my other climate controls and the reason why I believe pests, even russets, could be reset pretty easily; if the environment is properly isolated.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Icon]
    #27257180 - 03/17/21 10:51 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

To each his own mate, I'll see yours when you get em. They are a growing global problem so if you keep growing, chances are you'll grow them too at some point.

Just realized that might look spiteful in plain text, wasn't meant that way, I just mean your way seems to me like more of a hassle than my way, much like my way seems the bigger hassle to you :shrug:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27257509 - 03/17/21 02:16 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Openmind, it's been a wild ride for sure. I can't say for absolute sure I'm still battling them, but in the months dealing with them, I've gone from being a theoretical believer to a practical experiencer of russet mites, and I say that because grasping their tenacity is hard to say the least....

....They also inject their poisons in the plant causing nutrient imbalances, which you have to correct, and that 's the worst part cause you end up having to overfeed the natural need.......





Dang...Well I hope you continue to get things more "under control" and figure out an effective regimen. Having gone through it just the one time last summer I understand how frustrating it can be, by far the most frustrating & devastating pest or issue I've had to deal with so far...way more annoying than caterpillars eating into and rotting out buds lol.

I'm not sure if the mites are placing "poisons" into the plant tissue that causes imbalances or if they are just straight up "sucking out/consuming" the life/nutrients of the plant (or both lol), but I totally know what you are describing. It does look like an imbalance or deficiency, especially in the earliest stages it just looks like something is a little "off" with the plant. When I had em' they got into the buds as soon as they started to develop and basically prevented the buds from developing at all (no terps, no density, no swelling up, no stacking, pistils all dead/dark and shriveled), and when they got into buds that were already chunky/frosted they basically turned them into lifeless terp-less crispy dead looking things.

Do the edges of your leaves "curl" up at all? For me that was the hallmark symptom/sign of mites.....If you have any pics of the symptoms/damage they're causing can you post them?


Here are some pics of a bud from a grow two years ago that I suspect was being impacted by mites. At the time I didn't know WTF was happening, but after dealing with a full blown mite infestation last summer I'm pretty sure that's what was going on with this plant/bud in the following pics....

All of the trichomes are "deflated" and tiny, no terps/aroma, no resin/stickyness, all of the pistils have shriveled up and turned brown, the buds stop pushing out fresh/new white pistils, the calaxys seem to have shriveled up, all around the bud is just "dead" . Just the day before this bud was frosted white with trichomes glistening in the sun and had white pistils pushing out everywhere....



In these following two pics you can see that the top portion of the bud still has new white pistils being pushed out and creamy/white trichomes frosting the bud, but the middle and lower portions of the bud are essentially "lifeless" with small brown/shriveled pistils and calyxs that are no longer swollen up and trichomes that have shrunken down.





This bud should have a glistening frosting of creamy/white trichomes with a bunch of long white pistils emerging, but this is how it looks, totally dead.



Same with this bud...Should have milky white trichomes glimmering in the light and bunch of white pistils, but this is what the mites do to the bud. (i suspect this was mites in hindsight, never confirmed)






And this pic isn't mine, but it totally captures the classic sign of mites with the edges of the leaf curling and the developing/emerging buds looking totally dead & lifeless on arrival. I cringe seeing these images, uggh, it is a site that I dread to see ever again. Leaf edges curling like this is the first symptoms I spotted on my plants last summer on one plant. Within 2 days after seeing the first leaf curling I was spotting it through out all of my plants and I could notice it spreading across the plants quickly, just between morning and night I was noticing an increase.







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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
    #27257601 - 03/17/21 03:15 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

The hallmark curling of the leaves was the one thing that made me figure it all out eventually, but it wasn't until months in that I got only 1 autoflower that had that symptom. ALL my other plants have shown some symptoms, but I haven't actually caught a live mite in at least as many months as I've had the infection before figuring it out, probably totalling over 6 months now, but that's just it, there is sooo much going on with our plants that you don't REALLY look at until you REALLY have to, like going at every damn millimeter of their tissue with a microscope just to see what's what. The crazy thing is you can inspect damaged and look for ages through 1500x magnification, and investigate the whole damaged sites everywhere on the plants, and see all the damage done, and yet it is very well possible you have not knowingly spotted a single one of those live mites or their eggs. Telltale signs for me are just the "things are still off" feeling, the small shoots coming out with leaf tips bunched and browned at the edges similar to what beginning buds can do, the buds when they do that it's too far to save really. But I've pulled blooming autoflowers through active russet infections in vegging plants and they seem to stick to the vegging ones or something. The blooming plants also will take the most effective measure better, which is high heat. Vegging plants are better served by spraying them with nuke em, pouring sulfur around their stem's base, doing sulphur fuming rounds every week, and spraying with entomopathogenic fungi; those measures should be combined and cycled, all in the right order to prevent the one canceling out the other and such. The sulphur cancels everything out, except the nuke em but that's only active for a little while. The nuke em is something the plants aren't fond of. They HAVE TO have had water beforehand. If turgor isn't up, it will pull a number on em, you won't believe it. The sulphur kills the fungals. Can't do the sulphur too far in bloom cause it'll fuck the taste up, you have to have AT LEAST 2 weeks free of fuming, preferably 3 or more. If you only have 2 weeks it's best the last time wasn't a heavy fuming. While fuming it helps to shut off the vents to let the temp rise up to 43°C and avoid sitting in rotten egg smell.

Frustrating is to russet mites what stubbing your toe is to cancer...


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard] * 1
    #27260383 - 03/19/21 12:27 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Sprouted a seed I got from my former job as a mj farmer. Pretty certain the father was a blue dream not sure if it was from a herm so it may have herm genes but I'm trying my luck with it outdoors for fun regardless. Here's the mother Jillybean with pink pistils.



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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LSD-25]
    #27262729 - 03/21/21 02:50 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Starting to contemplate throwing the whole grow out again. Fuck me these fuckers just won't quit. Gonna do a heavy heat day again, this time for a bit longer than the usual hour, might do it again a couple times this week to see which of the plants survive the worst handlings, might kill a few plants off by means of heat to try and get the fuckers for good. Probably still won't work cause the plants have their way of keeping cool which is probably going to keep on saving them fuckers.

I'd say I'm close to being at wit's end.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27262734 - 03/21/21 02:55 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

How many of you have tried spinosad on plants for russet mites, with multiple applications spread over a week?


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27262902 - 03/21/21 07:49 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Just remembered I wanted to reply to icon's question a few pages back but didn't, my growrooms are all caulked up, seals have been caulked up for ages really. But it came in this way: I made an outdoor patio grow filling out my patio more and more, and often taking care of those plants, right before taking care of my indoor plants. There was also less than 10 feet between my outdoor plants and my indoor grow closet. It does not take a genius to figure out I'm lucky not to have gotten more pests than I did indoors. I mean outdoors I was hanging out flags for an all-you-can-eat buffet right at the entrance to the luxury deserts table and I was chaperoning as a chauffeur between the two, go figure.


I was debating using chemicals about now, so I was figuring out what I can use, what's available and whatnot, and as it turns out, anything that is strong enough to get the job done, would have to be cycled with other stuff strong enough to get the job done, and as it stands, not one of those chemicals is legally available to me. I might be able to get my hands on 1 or 2 of them, but they would need to be the right ones for that to work out and still it seems I'd have a fairly poor shot at beating them that way it seems, when reading up on other growers' experiences with those measures.

So I don't know anymore man, I'm gonna go spray the shit out of the plants with bleach, then I'll be overheating them again with an additional sulphur fuming round at the same time, followed by a heavy ozone round hours and hours on end. If this doesn't kill all my plants, good, if it does, good. Bitches better die with em. If it doesn't kill all my plants, I'll be doing it over later this week probably.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27263337 - 03/21/21 02:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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....I haven't actually caught a live mite in at least as many months as I've had the infection before figuring it out, probably totalling over 6 months now, but that's just it, there is sooo much going on with our plants that you don't REALLY look at until you REALLY have to, like going at every damn millimeter of their tissue with a microscope just to see what's what. The crazy thing is you can inspect damaged and look for ages through 1500x magnification, and investigate the whole damaged sites everywhere on the plants, and see all the damage done, and yet it is very well possible you have not knowingly spotted a single one of those live mites or their eggs. Telltale signs for me are just the "things are still off" feeling, the small shoots coming out with leaf tips bunched and browned at the edges similar to what beginning buds can do, the buds when they do that it's too far to save really.....





I never even visually saw a single mite when I had the infestation last summer, but with the naked eye I could see little specs/rusty spots of them on some leaves. I was so tight on $ at the time I didn't want to buy a scope since a scope wasn't going to fix the issue lol. But from the symptoms I was seeing I was damn near positive that what I was dealing with was mites, hemp/russets specifically.

Like you mentioned, another classic sign of em' is the newest/apical growth at tips/tops looking kinda thin and "stunted" and off-colored. Really does look like a deficiency or like something is "out of balance" at first.

That's exactly what was happening to my buds though...my infestation started right at the beginning of flowering and spread through out all of my plants, and the mites seemed to be mostly deep within the developing bud sites. All of my buds were looking dead on arrival, brown & shriveled pistils, the calyxys were "deflated" and no longer swollen, no resin/aroma/terps, and in general the buds essentially stopped developing/stacking all together....but I still managed to bring the plants to harvest.

After 2 weeks or so of using essential oils/iso alcohol/castile soap and Dr. Zymes, the buds on my plants were developing as they should and once again looked alive. I was able to harvest all of my plants and some of it turned out pretty dank. And even though I was spraying essential oils and alcohol and soap on my buds they turned out fine with out any off smells or anything looking/smelling different about them. It was during the first 3 weeks or so of flowering though, so not too deep into flowering, and I would always give my plants a rinse off with fresh water the morning after.

I know I've mentioned it a few times, but essential oils (specifically rosemary) can be great at killing mites and their eggs. That's what I used initially as a killer/wipe out, then I used Dr Zymes after that as a way to keep their population in check/wiped out. The essential oils/iso alcohol/castile soap was a bit harsh on a few of my plants (a few burn marks on some leaves, tho I did use a pretty concentrated solution of the oils/alcohol/soap.), but the Dr zymes didn't have any detrimental impact on my plants at all.

With that said...It seems like what works for one person doesn't always work for another. When I was dealing with them last summer I could not find a single thing that people would agree on working for killing/controlling mites. What one person swears worked for him, another person would say that thing didn't do anything for them, and visa/versa.





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How many of you have tried spinosad on plants for russet mites, with multiple applications spread over a week?





When I was dealing with them last summer spinosad was something that was suggested to me on some other forums.

But from what I understand, what the dude was trying to explain to me...One has to get the super concentrated stuff that is used in agriculture, not the stuff one buys in garden stores (not the Bonide/"Captain Jack" brand).

Apparently that bonide/captain jack stuff is super diluted compared to the agriculture stuff.

"Conserve SC" is the specific spinosad that was suggested to me and said to work great as a killer/wipe out for mites. Unfortunately it seems to be pretty expensive compared to the stuff from a garden/grow store.

https://www.google.com/search?q=conserve+sc+spinosad&source=hp&ei=qqFXYPWQCsKS0PEPluW36Aw&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYFevup_H67RWzashUld3l2ggUq-81phs&oq=conserve+sc+spi&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMYADICCAAyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgUIIRCgAVDdC1jAIGD6J2gBcAB4AIAB2wGIAagGkgEFMC40LjGYAQCgAQKgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=gws-wiz




I had some spinosad on hand when my mite infestation started. I've use spinosad for caterpillars & thrips the past few years...but it is the typical "Bonide" brand from garden/grow stores. Once I heard that spinosad could wipe out mites I mixed up a super concentrated solution of the stuff (way beyond what the label suggested) and gave all my plants a spray down at sunset, I think I did 2 applications two days in a row....It did not do a damn thing at all :shrug: . Maybe it's because the spinosad I was using was the garden-store "Bonide" brand stuff and not the agriculture/concentrated "Conserve SC" stuff, and/or perhaps the spinosad I was using wasn't as "active"/effective as it could have been since I had bought it the season before :shrug: .

So it's worth a shot I suppose...Spinosad is supposed to help control/kill mites, that's one of the specific pests it's supposed to help kill/control, but IME with the stuff I had on hand it didn't make any noticeable/pronounced difference in slowing down their population/spread through my plants.


You've probably come across it before and are likely familiar with most of these options...but here is a page from a pest/insect control company that has a lists of all the various things that they offer for controlling/killing mites.

https://www.arbico-organics.com/category/pest-solver-guide-mites?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvoG68ICy6wIVryCtBh30QQ1dEAAYASAAEgIjwfD_BwE



I'm still thinking about what my pest management regimen is going to be this time around, because after dealing with those mites last summer I never ever want to go through that again or at least be way more prepared for battle if it does happen again...I'm thinking about using grandevo & venerate, but also thinking about trying to work with essential oils and things like Dr. Zymes.





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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
    #27263368 - 03/21/21 02:43 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I have conserve SC in my cabinet, I don't like to use it though, and after many research I've come to the conclusion that, on it's own, it's of little use in this battle. It would have to be combined with at least 1 effective translaminar active agent against the nymphs, and none such agents are available in Europe, so that pretty much puts a full stop to the option of chemical warfare against these fuckers, so I better throw in the towel now, lest I create a version of super-russet mites, like there are many versions of spider mites, resistant to many chemical control.


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    #27263449 - 03/21/21 03:50 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)



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    #27266068 - 03/23/21 01:03 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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RIP.





Damn....sry to see & hear that man :nonono: .


Have you tried predatory mites?

For an indoor setting/grow, I feel predator mites would work out great.

I don't have any experience with them myself but I've heard of people using predatory mites on outdoor plants and they seem to have great success. I feel that predator mites would be even more effective in an indoor grow space than on outdoor plants exposed to the elements.


I dunno...growing indoors is something I have no experience with at all. But I feel like if one has totally sterilized their grow space/room and "bombed" it with various treatments/chemicals/sulfur/heat etc etc then the mites should have been wiped out for the most part? I just find it crazy that you're still dealing with this issue after several months and all sorts of various treatments (I feel for you man :sadyes: ). I was able to get the upper hand and win the battle against mites on 6ft tall & 6ft wide plants outdoors where there is constantly new mites being blown in the wind into my yard and onto my plants and the environment is entirely "out of my control".

If you sterilize everything and go for a short period of time with out having any plants growing then shouldn't that wipe out the population of hemp mites within your grow space/home?....If there are no cannabis plants growing in your space/house then how are any of the remaining mites going to survive in your grow space/room/house? Since I believe the cannabis plant (and maybe hops?) are the specific host/plant that hemp/russets live off of, then if one goes for a short period of time with no plants growing them wouldn't their population essentially "die off"?

It's crazy that after all the different treatments you've done that these mites are still some how remaining with prolific/high populations in your grow space.





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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: openmind]
    #27266145 - 03/23/21 01:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I never fully shut down, that's all. Kept re-infecting probably edit: probably not, probably just never fully eradicated, spreading them through starting from new seed before getting rid of the infected plants. Once established, they are near impossible to wipe out entirely and small maintained colonies, which can exist in a healthy biome outside, don't stand out at all, you'd never see it untill you caused massive die-off with a succcesful blow to their population. Their nymphs live inside the tissue, and they are born pregnant, which is a big part of the problem. Not all of their varieties seem to be deterred as much by any given method as another variety of them might. You had a different variety than me. I never even tried pyrethrins cause they won't be eradicated by it but they will grow immune to it very fast so I decided to keep that in my stock to try when I have a problem with them only after shutting down completely. And that's basically the most toxic chemical I can get my hands on. This is Europe man, nothing is legal here in terms of insecticides. Not for personal use anyway. Professional gardeners/agriculture get to use all they want as long as they make sure they meet their requirements on paper, but the little guy can't even buy avid anymore. Seriously, you can not find any abamectin or other -mectins anywhere here. You can find some stuff for use on ornamentals and some stuff for use on trees and shrubs, but it's hard to find info on what's in there and when I do find it I usually have to conclude I don't trust the stuff enough to want to spray it on anything. Anything that's not translaminar on cannabis shoots won't work effectively enough, and you would need at least 2 of those and another different one of a different class, to cycle with to prevent them getting immune.

How you gonna go after a microscopic systemic bug when you have no systemic pesticide or other way of systemically attacking them with succes?

There's a good reason why so many people who have battled with them for so long say it can't be done, at least not organically. It's because it's very close to that. You might be able to take a sterilized cutting from valuable mothers, but even that is a long shot.

Funny thing is, sulphur fumigation and nuke em are the 2 best options when you look online for organic options to battle these fucks, and if I didn't combine the sulphur fumigation with scorching heat of 43°C (110°F), neither barely put a dent in getting them down when looking at it long term, and that's with diligently spraying 2 to 3 times a day at normal strength, after the strong strength put most of my plants to near death previous round. The heat is the best killer, but it's sooo damn depressing to see your plants 3 or 4 days later, having grown a bunch in the last day or 2, and now showing all the grown holes, where all those russet mites died, and you just rot inside knowing from experience, that you did not get them all. Fuck I actually killed half my bloom room trying to salvage the grow last time and it did not get them all.

I have 3 autoflowers in isolation under close examination without any touching for now, and I planted them in PP pots with soil that I gave special cannabis aimed soil life in granular form, after giving each of those 3 pots a 110°C steam heating for an hour in my sterilizer. I know the inside of the pot won't have gotten 110°C but I'm hoping/thinking the inside should have reached 60°C which should be good enough to my knowledge.

They aren't always prolific, but as your plants grow back into shape, so do their populations, over and over and over and over, and a grow room is nice and warm, and has spots with little air movement, the perfect conditions for reproduction for this and many other species. Outside wind blows and wind does spread them but it does also keep them from mating, as windy conditions keep leaves moving too heavily for them to want to mate.

About populations dying off: their nymphs and/or eggs survive winter in soil to crawl back into new plants in spring.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard]
    #27266224 - 03/23/21 02:43 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

This mite shit is freaking me out I'm getting my brain around indoor cultivation and now I feel like a terrified noob:noob:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: mushboy]
    #27266263 - 03/23/21 03:09 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Broad, cyclamen and russet mites all fall in pretty much the same horrible category for size and pest resilience. I'm not entirely certain if they are russet or cyclamen, I keep leaning towards russets though. This pic is from broad mites hanging on to a whitefly. They do it with Thrips as well, and I'm not sure if cyclamen or russets do or don't do this too. I remember at the beginning of my infestation, I thought for a while I had some thrips, and then I saw 1 of them with some eggs only once, I killed it and introduced beneficial predatory bugs of several species right away. That's THE go to route for when you discover infestations. I didn't right away invite them predatory mites though, and even if I did, chances are high they'd already found their way into the inside tissue, I don't think I would have ever gotten rid of it after that stage organically.. I've long thought differently, I would not have kept on trying had I no hope at all, but I must say, they've won the battle. I'm not done with the war though.



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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: LizardWizard] * 2
    #27271321 - 03/27/21 07:17 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

My second grow ever, Tangerine Dreams.
I improved some things this time from the first time but they had a few weeks where they weren’t cared for as well as usual but I couldn’t help it.
They’ve been in flower some weeks now, I think they might be ready? Not many leaves on and those left are yellow and or dried up.

But anyway here’s some flowers, cos I’m a girl and I like flowers hahaha :lol:



Looking through with a loupe they do look more cloudy than clear now :awesome:


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