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InvisibleSclorch
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Does Intelligence Even Matter?
    #2726289 - 05/25/04 04:53 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Using this definition:
in?tel?li?gence (n-tl-jns)
1. a) The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.
b) The faculty of thought and reason.
c) Superior powers of mind.


In a world of survival of the fittest, it doesn't matter which choice is more intelligent. All that matters is that the choice be most effective in the end. It could be all due to luck, but that's all that's needed.

On the genetic level, intelligence is undoubtedly an advantage. But on the individual, memetic level... does intelligence really give us that much of an advantage in this modern age?

Let's just look at the big picture:
Which memes do we see more of, the dogmatic kind or the free-thinking kind?
Religion, mass media, politics, education.... the most common (powerful?) memes out there are all that of the dogmatic strain.

Food for thought.


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2726351 - 05/25/04 05:19 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

In a world of survival of the fittest, it doesn't matter which choice is more intelligent. All that matters is that the choice be most effective in the end. It could be all due to luck, but that's all that's needed.

Intelligence is used to make a choice. I guess it doesn't matter, then, if the choice itself was made intelligently as long as the right choice is made...but intelligence still gives a higher chance of making that right choice. You can rely on luck all you want, it won't get you as far as even the slightest intelligence :wink:


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: trendal]
    #2726382 - 05/25/04 05:28 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Are you going to address this?:
Let's just look at the big picture:
Which memes do we see more of, the dogmatic kind or the free-thinking kind?
Religion, mass media, politics, education.... the most common (powerful?) memes out there are all that of the dogmatic strain.


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2727324 - 05/25/04 01:04 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

That's just the way this society is structured. It has little to do with intelligence itself. Intelligence gives an advantage in breaking free from dogmatic belief, so I would say in general those with high intelligence are less likely to hold many dogmatic beliefs (though even the genius has his beliefs). As there are comparatively a very small number of people with high intelligence, society is probably most influenced by the great Average group, with a higher number of dogmas.


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2728332 - 05/25/04 05:24 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Intelligence doesn't seem to matter to most people in this world, as far as I can observe from the people I interact with every day. :rolleyes:

It would be much more pertinent if our society were based around a more primitive tribal-survival structure rather than the dogmatic-affluent state we are in.


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2729023 - 05/25/04 07:45 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

It takes intelligence to keep masses hooked on dogmatic memes, no?
As much as I personally dislike the fact, I think the psychological stranglehold this society is in continues to be pretty cleverly crafted.

I heard Bush's speech on Iraq the other night. I have to admit, if I was ignorant of the emptiness behind his words, I would totally fall for him. The phrases he uses are very well written by his speechwriters and pleasantly tickle the brain.

But as for when he must answer actual questions and responds with the same played out cliches over and over again... I'm don't quite understand how people can't see through him.

So yea, I would say intelligence is a key factor in the big picture.
If anything sets this world free, it will be information.
I think intelligence is the pursuit of fact. And information is fact.


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2729048 - 05/25/04 07:52 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Am I in the Shroomery twilite forum?  Does this thread even need a response?  :grin:  This is 2004 everyone, intelligence matters!  We are intelligent beings, some more intelligent than others, and some more intelligent than them, e.t.c.  If no one made any choices, the world would be quite a catatonic place now, wouldn't it?  Our choices today matter. Evolution has not complete its mission.


Edited by Worldbridger (05/25/04 08:01 PM)


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Worldbridger]
    #2729065 - 05/25/04 07:56 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

"We our intelligent beings"

Sorry for being a prick, but I just found that amusing :smile:


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: deff]
    #2729083 - 05/25/04 08:02 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

hehe  :grin:

shhh, I change sentence to show my intelligence.


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2731300 - 05/26/04 09:16 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Does intelligence even matter?

With regards to...?


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2732610 - 05/26/04 04:10 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

who is more apealing in your eyes?

the man who has used his mind to climb the business ladder and drives a merc

or the man who stands on the street corner seling newspapers who has love follows his heart (he is a little stupid though, you might say)


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: ]
    #2732897 - 05/26/04 05:06 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Grav:  It takes intelligence to keep masses hooked on dogmatic memes, no?
As much as I personally dislike the fact, I think the psychological stranglehold this society is in continues to be pretty cleverly crafted.


Sure... it's clever, but it's a major hindrance to me... and you.

Worldbridger: Am I in the Shroomery twilite forum? Does this thread even need a response? :grin:

Everything is questioned here.  :wink:


Sclorch: Does intelligence even matter?
daba: With regards to...?

I made it clear enough for everyone else.  Go back and read it again.  :wink:

Sole_Worthy: who is more apealing in your eyes?
the man who has used his mind to climb the business ladder and drives a merc
or the man who stands on the street corner seling newspapers who has love follows his heart (he is a little stupid though, you might say)


You made this too easy for me with the addition of the "he is a little stupid though, you might say".  I'd choose the gent with the benz, because I'd rather be a suit than a moron.  However, since this is a bit of a false dilemma, I'd have to say that neither is a good choice for me.


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2734454 - 05/26/04 11:57 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Intellect might not even come from the brain.


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2734708 - 05/27/04 12:52 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

Mr_Gubjet said:
Intellect might not even come from the brain.




And all of a sudden a drop in the intelligence level of this thread reaches a new stooping low.  :grin:  I am just kidding dude.

Have all scientists tests prooved nothing?  If your intelligence doesn't come from your brain, where does it come from?  Why is it that when somebody dies or gets shot, that they all of a sudden become a little lifeless or braindead and their brainwaves cease to do anything on those testers.


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Worldbridger]
    #2734873 - 05/27/04 01:59 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Politicians are politicians, and I dont see how that comes to intellegence. Intellegence is more reasoning, recall, and recollection.

So, if your not intellegent enough, you cannot remember and reason enough to get into a good college and stay there. The people on top are usually the more intellegent, while the most intellegent may be right below them, making the bigger and more useful decisions and discoveries.

Intellegent people still need leaders, but leaders generally know that their not the most intellegent, leading them to surround themselves with very intellegent people.

So, intellegence is how to get to the top or close to it.


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Redo]
    #2734933 - 05/27/04 02:18 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

If your intelligence doesn't come from your brain, where does it come from?

your genetics?


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2735179 - 05/27/04 03:34 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

Mr_Gubjet said:
Intellect might not even come from the brain.




Riiiiiiiight.
Is it already time for Swami's "Rock to the Head" Challenge?
How about Sclorch's "F. Lobe Ablation" Challenge?

I tell you what... since by your guess it might not hurt your intellect, do this: bore a small hole into your skull (right at the hairline on your forehead for best results) and then insert an icepick (or something similar) in there and move it around a bit in a sweeping motion... just enough to rearrange a few cubic inches of your brain. Then come back and tell us if your insight has any merit.

That is... IF you're up for the physical challenge. [/Mark Summers]


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Sclorch]
    #2735312 - 05/27/04 04:18 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

What about those baby 5-8cm aliens? They are pretty smart.

Ha...


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2735618 - 05/27/04 08:35 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

He certainly got you there sclorch old bean.


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Re: Does Intelligence Even Matter? [Re: Swami]
    #2736915 - 05/27/04 03:12 PM (14 years, 22 hours ago)

Yeah... I don't have a clue as to what he's talking about. I also couldn't find anything in the DSM IV that directly referenced his perspective.


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