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OfflineProfessor X
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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: annoyed]
    #27261667 - 03/20/21 10:26 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Tight Lunchbox said:
If you have a better way of doing it then share it with the community. Let's see it. Show us a better way to grow pounds than what has already been established.



I could never advise a better way to grow mushrooms than what a grower has  learned intuitively, with a few guiding principles.


To every doubtful grower who wants my opinion, which isn't opinionated at all:
1. Do what is expedient for you, never seek approval
2. Use good logic and believe in it above all else
3. Hide your knowledge and science, show others only your art
4. Ignore every manmade rule


While I agree with this post, the first post you bumped this with could get some newbies in serious trouble. It's hard to be profound when you aren't paying attention to the date on the thread you necro.


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: annoyed]
    #27261670 - 03/20/21 10:30 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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annoyed said:
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Tight Lunchbox said:
If you have a better way of doing it then share it with the community. Let's see it. Show us a better way to grow pounds than what has already been established.



I could never advise a better way to grow mushrooms than what a grower has  learned intuitively, with a few guiding principles.


To every doubtful grower who wants my opinion, which isn't opinionated at all:
1. Do what is expedient for you, never seek approval
2. Use good logic and believe in it above all else
3. Hide your knowledge and science, show others only your art
4. Ignore every manmade rule




Yeah schools and teachers and books and guides are pointless. Just use logic and ur goodzie.

Tbh it sounds like you're being zealous in lieu of actual experience to find meaning in your boring life. Or maybe I'm just feeding the troll :shrug:


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: Benson]
    #27261674 - 03/20/21 10:33 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Far too much has been assumed with a priori "logic", mere hypotheses asserted by layman limit the possibility of an easier way for the layman individual to creatively grow their mushroom, and discover a new technique even if not discovering a science to share with anyone else, for the purpose of growing in whatever quantities they wish for themselves.

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Benson said:
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annoyed said:
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Tight Lunchbox said:
If you have a better way of doing it then share it with the community. Let's see it. Show us a better way to grow pounds than what has already been established.



I could never advise a better way to grow mushrooms than what a grower has  learned intuitively, with a few guiding principles.


To every doubtful grower who wants my opinion, which isn't opinionated at all:
1. Do what is expedient for you, never seek approval
2. Use good logic and believe in it above all else
3. Hide your knowledge and science, show others only your art
4. Ignore every manmade rule




Yeah schools and teachers and books and guides are pointless. Just use logic and ur goodzie.

Tbh it sounds like you're being zealous in lieu of actual experience to find meaning in your boring life. Or maybe I'm just feeding the troll :shrug:



The leaders of fields control schools. One hundred years ago a B.s. qualified someone to teach at a university. Now a PhD is required. These leaders convolute simple arts into unnecessarily complex headaches.

I remember nothing from school, it was all useless to me. -Bobby Fischer


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: Benson]
    #27261676 - 03/20/21 10:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

If some of us didn't ignore what those before us said was impossible there would be no technological advance. We would still ride horses and think flying was reserved for the birds. However, this forward thinking is only a friend to the few as the masses in general are incapable of such ideas that will actually work.


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: Professor X]
    #27261681 - 03/20/21 10:36 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

So ten transfers from same agar to ten jars only flaming at start can be a really high source of contaminants?


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27261687 - 03/20/21 10:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

That is debatable depending on if a flowhood or SAB is used. If flowhood, not really. SAB, yes.


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: Professor X]
    #27261705 - 03/20/21 10:53 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

:waitingpatiently:

so you don't actually have anything to share? that's a bummer cuz I was really looking forward to some mush pics.


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: Tight Lunchbox]
    #27261965 - 03/20/21 01:00 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Bro where do I even begin with this... you bump a 7 year old thread with two TCs that gave good, legit advice. But you end it with:

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annoyed said:
Thus I conclude the most common cause of contamination is a dysgenic couple of spores taking too long to colonize.

I advise everyone to ignore all the rules set up by these amateur growers larping like actual scientists.

They muddy the water to make it seem deep. -Friedrich Nietzsche




Bold claim challenging TCs and calling them frauds. Okay, so you must know what you're talking about, right?

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I gave childish advice backed with experience. Boomer.




Pretty salty, but okay. Backed with experience, cool, let's see it!

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annoyed said:
I could never advise a better way to grow mushrooms than what a grower has  learned intuitively, with a few guiding principles.





What? I thought you had some grand experience? You don't think you could advise a beginner a better way to do something?

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I remember nothing from school, it was all useless to me. -Bobby Fischer




Nice psudo-intellectual bullshit. Would you want your doctor saying that? Or lawyer?

Best case scenario you're a troll, most likely scenario you're a bitter loser. The cherry on top:

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annoyed said:
All communities are toxic to me with their zealotry that's disguised as legitimate experience when it's all just egotistical ways to find meaning in their boring lives.




Yeah, people that do that are wild right? :facepalm3:


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: Benson]
    #27262033 - 03/20/21 02:01 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Specifics on how to grow are lies.

That's all. Goodbye.


Edited by annoyed (03/20/21 02:06 PM)


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: Kizzle]
    #27262057 - 03/20/21 02:26 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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IME contaminated spores. When I started using agar my contamination rate dropped to 0% for most batches overnight.

I should also mention I noticed a significant improvement before that switching to dry spore inoculations instead syringes. With syringes I was losing entire batches sometimes.




Interesting! What is dry spore inoculations?

And I would say the main reason for infections comes from the inoculation step.


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #27262145 - 03/20/21 03:34 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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annoyed said:
Specifics on how to grow are lies.

That's all. Goodbye.




You heard him boys. Pack it up, all of the teks are lies.

:hi:

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LogicaL Chaos said:
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Kizzle said:
IME contaminated spores. When I started using agar my contamination rate dropped to 0% for most batches overnight.

I should also mention I noticed a significant improvement before that switching to dry spore inoculations instead syringes. With syringes I was losing entire batches sometimes.




Interesting! What is dry spore inoculations?

And I would say the main reason for infections comes from the inoculation step.




I assume he means swabbing or using an inoculation loop to spread a spore print on agar. Bacteria loves water and from what I've seen people sometimes have issues using a dirty spore syringe + the extra water that comes from squirting it on a plate.


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: annoyed]
    #27262146 - 03/20/21 03:34 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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annoyed said:
Specifics on how to grow are lies.

That's all. Goodbye.




I think you kind of missed the mark brother, if we tell someone how to do something, and they go mess it up, they're going to come back they're going to say a bunch of crap about us as well as a bunch of trash talk! Why in any right mind, when we get out misinformation or try and talk about a process being performed wrong?

The PF technical is about as effective as the creation of spore syringes. it is great if you are attempting to recreate a defining moment of history, but we have come forward with way better methods of cultivation.

Get me a picture of a PF cake with a canopy. I'll wait. The creation of popularity circling the pressure cooker basis on the idea that water is boiling hotter than its normal temperature, which kills all of the endospores in bacteria that mutated to survive that temperature. there is not some intrinsic, exclusive process that is taking place here. You need to grow some balls and not be scared of your pressure cooker, and then try and use your smug phonetic dialogue to tell other people that they have to do something that is most likely going to have their growth space condemned.

This thread is super old, if the search engine didn't do what you wanted it to, then this has been some beef you've been chewing on for a while, brother. I will forget more about mycology today then you will learn in the rest of your life, so I'm just going to say goodbye right back to you because you have me pretty annoyed.


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: Circle K]
    #27262157 - 03/20/21 03:46 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

We need a new mega pf Tek jar thread


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27262159 - 03/20/21 03:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Use a presto 23 as the pf tek vessel.


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: Failboat]
    #27262161 - 03/20/21 03:49 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Probably the biggest question...Why this thread is still open?


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: Smartattack]
    #27262162 - 03/20/21 03:50 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

IDK MY BFF JILL?


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Re: Most common reason for contam? [Re: Failboat]
    #27262282 - 03/20/21 05:49 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Tell yourself somebody wants to hear your opinion and it might come true. Just "believe in it above all else" lol.


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