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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: Professor X]
    #27254174 - 03/15/21 03:29 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

so around where this "growth" was, the jars clearly separated and put a orange mark around.

Pictures from 2 days ago, is more defined now.

So whatever it was, was not good.









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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: sharkjazz]
    #27254181 - 03/15/21 03:35 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, just checked the underneath, full of myc piss. Strange how there is a clearly delimited line around the fluffy grey "cobweb" like growth as if the myc is trying to contain it.

Going to go bury these jars with some manure and see if anything pops up. Shame as the rest of the myc looks alright (to my eyes). But fairly sure it came from the master spawn. Done some agar transfers since and no contams (so far)












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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: sharkjazz]
    #27254225 - 03/15/21 04:00 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Looks like bacterial mycelium and early trichoderma to me.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: eLeSDenes]
    #27254230 - 03/15/21 04:01 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Weird, I had some suspiciously cobweb-looking growth but it didn't take over. How do you definitively tell?


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: terrafirm]
    #27254260 - 03/15/21 04:11 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Cobweb turns dusty grey when it sporulates, it is stupid fast and will actually climb right over the mycelium to an extent.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: terrafirm]
    #27254783 - 03/15/21 09:25 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Weird, I had some suspiciously cobweb-looking growth but it didn't take over. How do you definitively tell?




someone said my "cobweb" looking growth wasn't and could be tomentose myc, although I don't think so. Looking at the hars, there is a clear line around that growth and the clean myc.

But as profx says, cobweb should explode in growth whereas mine didn't. But regardless, whatever it was, it was no good.

bit concerned as knocked up 6 jars from the same master, 3 are shown above and the other 3 "look" alright. Not sure whether to waste time  in putting them in a shoe box. Got enough good looking jars coming to time so perhaps I'll toss the lot


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: sharkjazz]
    #27254799 - 03/15/21 09:39 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Definitely bacteria looking


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: Notarealguy]
    #27254844 - 03/15/21 10:13 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

If it looks alright it probably is. There is always the chance something fell in your master halfway through your transfers which is the likely culprit if half are ok and half are bacterial. Either that or you had pooled water at the bottom and tge bacteria wasn't at the top. Either way your jars look bacterial for sure but I don't see cobweb, that picture I posted is cobweb. I have cobweb on a plate too, covered the plate, overlapping the trichoderma satellite and the mycelium and bacteria. I messed up a transfer by touching it with an iso coated glove and that was the result.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: Professor X]
    #27255180 - 03/16/21 06:50 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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If it looks alright it probably is. There is always the chance something fell in your master halfway through your transfers which is the likely culprit if half are ok and half are bacterial. Either that or you had pooled water at the bottom and tge bacteria wasn't at the top. Either way your jars look bacterial for sure but I don't see cobweb, that picture I posted is cobweb. I have cobweb on a plate too, covered the plate, overlapping the trichoderma satellite and the mycelium and bacteria. I messed up a transfer by touching it with an iso coated glove and that was the result.




Yes I agree what I had is not cobweb. But I don't think it is myc either. Just one of a gazillion possibles.

What you said about using the bottom of the master jar that had the bacteria could be correct. I used the remaining contents of a small 200ml jar, some got popcorn master spawn from the top, some from the bottom.

As to the other jars, I think I will toss, they look "alright" but not good. I have enough jars nearing 100% to make 7 shoeboxes this week, I have 1 spare shoebox right now, going to buy another 7 so I have 12 total, which I think is a bit ridiculous for someone who eats mushrooms 3-4 times a year.

Plus that will give me 3 conta jars and 3 "alright" jars to try an outdoor grow, it's currently hot + rainy season, so humidity is through the roof and temps range from night 23c to day 31c.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: sharkjazz]
    #27255248 - 03/16/21 07:48 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I've been eating every 2 months and have space for 30 tubs total. I had 21 and expanded again this this weekend to add another 27 quarts worth of space.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: Professor X]
    #27255287 - 03/16/21 08:07 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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I've been eating every 2 months and have space for 30 tubs total. I had 21 and expanded again this this weekend to add another 27 quarts worth of space.





I guess I better up my game them :lol:

No harm in having a life times worth supply in the freezer I guess.


Just need to find a better way to store long term with this humidity we have. I had some cracker dry (or so I thought) and in an air tight container (so I thought) with some silica packets. They have gone bendy now.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: sharkjazz]
    #27255385 - 03/16/21 09:29 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Vacuum sealer. Don't put them in the freezer, that will definitely reintroduce moisture. I've kept them cracker dry for a year plus vacuum packed with dry and dry.


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