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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #27063839 - 11/29/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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.  (Incidentally long term I think covid is irrelevant as long as Global Warming, the current major extinction, rainforest destruction, ocean acidification, over fishing, factory farming **, pollution, over population, & urbanization all continue, with GW being the main driver). Some of these things sound trivial if one doesn't know a bit of the back story, but none of them are trivial and taken together they are not solvable IMO. Many areas of the world are already unlivable due to human interventions; Not just the areas where we know of refuge problems.
.  Given this and my age, it would make no sense to allow any of these things to cause continual emotional upset.




Bingo. The worst impact of corona is that it has kept us all glued into a paranoid and divisive battle over social media. If you're invested in that on either side then rona already got you.

When the spanish flu was about people were just worried about whether there'd be enough graves to go around.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #27063948 - 11/30/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Seems the waves follow easing restrictions and reimposing restrictions helps. We saw this in Australia for example, as well as elsewhere.




Yes but it's too late to be Australia. And what I mean is, even in Europe the virus was still circulating during the lockdown just waiting for it to be lifted. The lockdown isn't stopping the virus and whatever deaths the lockdown prevents will happen at a later date. There may be some discrepancy, but again it needs to be weighed against the effect of extended oppressive lockdowns which is deadly for many.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #27063995 - 11/30/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

.  Well I'm not in charge. Seems like various sorts of experiments are going on in different places. As stated for both the world in general, and the covid situation, IMO there are no solutions. But should we live awhile longer, we will see what happens.
.  As stated by others, part of the balancing act is not to overload hospitals - meaning both having space, the necessary equipment, and knowledgeable staff, that are not exhausted or sick themselves. Just opening up would of course make that impossible. You already know this but don't like this fact either. No sane person likes any of it.
.  I am crazy enough to think the world would be better off with 1/10 of the people alive today, but I have no wish that people should be eliminated by a painful disease. I think modern cities are like putting oneself in a prison, and are only tolerated because people will tolerate about anything, and civilized people lost their connection with nature about 10,000 years ago.
.  Now we are weaklings born in hospitals, to wear glasses, eat processed food, and even in the military some spend their sedentary lives controlling drones that assassinate others thousands of miles away. To feel sorry for a species that continues to do such things to itself, would seem to be only another form of mental disease.
.  Apparently some of Wim Hof's students feel a better way has been found: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wim+hof


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #27242869 - 03/08/21 08:18 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think it made much difference if any. The CDC has reported that "masks are statistically significant" while in the same report provided data suggesting mask mandates (face covers) have been about 1.5% effective in reducing transmission. Dining out resulted in around a 1% higher chance of transmission, though I assume that number would be higher for only those who dinned out.

Statistically significant and "within the margin of error" are surprisingly close to the same thing!


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #27243122 - 03/08/21 11:31 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

most maskers have a nostril or 2 hanging out.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27243674 - 03/08/21 05:15 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sure that figures in but surgical masks and cotton cloth isn't a reasonable barrier for a virus.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #27243841 - 03/08/21 06:46 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

mask use by country:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tamarathiessen/2020/07/15/covid-travel-face-mask-wearing-countries/?sh=3cefbbb649ca

controversy, you will not find agreement:

"Europe's Top Health Officials Say Masks Aren't Helpful in Beating COVID-19"

https://fee.org/articles/europes-top-health-officials-say-masks-arent-helpful-in-beating-covid-19/

vs

https://files.nc.gov/covid/documents/info-for/The-effectiveness-of-face-masks-to-prevent-SARS-CoV.pdf

endless data

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mask+use%2C+%26+covid+spread%2C+by+country&t=h_&ia=web

All I know is that covid-19, is a virus that has killed thousands world wide, is pretty good at spreading, spreads thru air more than surfaces, and I am statistically vulnerable. Cloth masks probably reduce viral load as does distancing, but N95s are better. Reduced viral load seems to reduce chance of infection or severity, as does keeping up vitamin D levels. And lastly there are plenty of ways to die that are less painful. And "long haulers" may never fully recover. Compared to a lot of potential crap in life, wearing a mask seems like the lesser of 2 evils, to many folks world wide. So we each plan according to our preferences, circumstances, & activities.

As of now vaccines and mutants introduce more unknows.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #27243895 - 03/08/21 07:18 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I always get sick in winter. I mean before it gets this close to spring, and have not started coughing once without cannabis this winter; and I did not get my usual summer cold either.

i do handwashing when I get home, and mask when I go out, and keep social distance. I am enjoying some benefits of it.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27243936 - 03/08/21 07:44 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I live with family, & children, so I accommodate their mother's wishes.
It suits me fine to be indifferent. Basically it just means I rarely shop or go out,
and use a mask when I do. Amazon works for many supplies.
With regards to the vaccine, I shall follow the same policy.
Its much simpler, when I don't worry about what's to my advantage.
As you say the kids didn't get their usual colds.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #27243989 - 03/08/21 08:19 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Would you rather someone fart directly on your face, or fart through underpants?

If you have an answer to that, you don't need to ask any more questions.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: sudly]
    #27244338 - 03/09/21 04:07 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

stinky attitude


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: sudly]
    #27244501 - 03/09/21 06:54 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Neither

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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Rahz]
    #27244599 - 03/09/21 08:11 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: Cjmckay]
    #27244870 - 03/09/21 11:20 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

That’s quite the enthusiastic answer....:rofl:


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #27245030 - 03/09/21 01:29 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Since we seem to be going off topic, enjoy these shroom eggs.



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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27245032 - 03/09/21 01:30 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I've been taking 4mg of klonopin for about 12 years

People starting freaking out over the virus

I just played it smart..first thing, was to remain calm, and keep my stress levels down. The news was pointless to watch because they kept saying how bad it was. Maybe mostly for old people who smoke a lot.

But yeah, this thing came on the scene and I avoided the news but stayed informed, kept calm, increased my vitamin and water intake, whatnot.

I think the media frenzy around the virus made people very psychologically ill


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: skOsH]
    #27245404 - 03/09/21 05:16 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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skOsH said:


I think the media frenzy around the virus made people very psychologically ill




and the virus made many very dead

yet there are those who choose fly

and those who choose to go to bars, drink and surely  loose some control over distancing in an unventilated space

.  Meanwhile the virus has not stopped mutating, & only time will tell if covid kills enough humans to save them from global warming, eco-collapse, surveillance states etc.
.  Humans are definitely a failed experiment, as far as realizing their supposed potential to be both more intelligent and more compassionate than other species. About 5,000 years is a long time to run an experiment and get results.
.  It would seem, from looking at the rise and fall of nation states and empires and the world history of wars, crime & prisons, torture, & genocide, that the same may be said of the experiment with 'civilizations'. Compassion as a real attribute of humans, on a noticeable scale never happened.
.  Given this outlook, that ignores individual fates, and the grief of those loosing friends and family - yes covid is only a blip, in a couple of experiments already doomed to failure.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: laughingdog]
    #27245435 - 03/09/21 05:42 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

My dentist, a man Ive known well for some time, is in his mid 40s, excellent shape, no drug use, no serious medical conditions, has a seriously healthy & regimented diet - one of the most well put together men I know in this life.  Got covid.  Thought it was no big deal for the first 10 days - then it turned, and as he neared deaths door he feared for his life.  He’s got lung complications now, and that is somehow giving him serious lasting fatigue.  At least he’s back in the office.  But damn, it changed him - not just physically, but his entire view of the situation    I’ve had multiple family members fall seriously ill to covid for months at a time - some in countries not as “well to do” as the US.  But even in the US, I’ve still lost family and acquaintances to it.  Everyone who says who cares who dies *it’s only XXx* changes real fast when they get sick enough that the fear of death creeps real close by.

It sucks.  Some it barely touches when they get infected, others who are assumed to be fine - are not.  And the moderate to high risk are always going to get it worse more constantly, but some recover anyways. Side note.  It’s incredibly interesting how much people differ in their views of the little & big picture of this thing...not to mention our attitudes about it all & towards others with different opinions.

I’m still sitting on the sidelines and using this time to reflect on life and take account of things while maintaining my affairs as best I can right now, mostly bc that’s one of the benefits of this thing, and I’m milking it.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27245524 - 03/09/21 06:53 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I've never before heard of a disease that effects people so drastically differently.

I've a young (27) healthy neighbor who caught it and it caused him to have four strokes and has left one side of his body incapacitated. He's gonna be in rehab for a year. Completely fucked his life.

Then I've a couple of older friends - late forties and mid sixties - overweight, smokers, drinkers, etc - who caught it. One had zero symptoms and one just lost taste and smell and felt a little off.

I've not studied disease enough in my life to know if many of them are so unpredictable in who they ravage and who they don't, but goddamn, this thing makes no sense.

Surprised they haven't nailed down the commonality in why and who it really screws over.


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Re: Coronavirus - the cure vs the disease [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27245549 - 03/09/21 07:12 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Yes Seems to me the folks that scoff at masks just don't get the reality of it for many, or how it could be for them.

Only on the impersonal level, in a world constantly on the brink of nuclear war, that has poisoned the planet that is its home, and killed one another, for 1000s of years, and as an old man, do I also see that, like the meteor that killed the dinosaurs, there is nothing to worry about ! !

I didn't ask to be born, why should I ask not to die? or that anyone else shouldn't? But if I can avoid death by struggling vainly to breath, or life with 'longer hauler" damages, I will gladly pay the price of the minor inconveniences of masks, distancing, and a little hand sanitizer use. And of course what we do may have consequences for others.


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