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Supposed Gymnopilus luteofolius in Norway (October 2020)
#27239836 - 03/06/21 02:28 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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On my way to picking liberty caps back in October, I passed an area with a number of wood chip heaps strewn by the roadside, and there are a few acres of these heaps. They have been here for a few years, and whoever dumps the chips keep adding them almost continuously it seems, so a good place for woodloving species.
I've seen quite a lot of Psathyrella, Hypholoma and Galerina, not to mention myriads of Tubaria and Peziza.
So when I first saw these I didn't really know what they were, I suspected Gymnopilus but couldn't see where they fit in with the species I already knew. So I asked a Norwegian mycologist what he thought, and he just asked me to send him a specimen. When he got back to me after a few weeks he said it was Gymnopilus luteofolius, which was what he suspected when he first saw the pictures.
First find, October 23rd 2020, quite mature and waterlogged specimens ranging from 2 to 6 centimeters in cap diameter:

Second find, October 27th 2020, younger specimens, which I nibbled and confirmed were bitter in taste:

I also managed to get a small spore deposit on foil, although faint, it is definitely rusty:

So whether one chooses to call these just Gymnopilus sp. or G. luteofolius it is quite clear this is not a native species to my region. I'm thinking it could possibly be something like G. dilepis, which also has been found in the UK and possibly mainland Europe, apparently.
I have also kept a few specimens if anyone is interested to take this further.
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Re: Supposed Gymnopilus luteofolius in Norway (October 2020) [Re: Anglerfish]
#27239845 - 03/06/21 02:45 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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We were waiting for this thread 
It's an interesting find, did you investigate those woodchips, I guess they are not imported, probably made somewhere in Norway from native tree species ?
Also, did mycologist who identified them elaborated his reasons for labeling this collection luteofolius, since many Gymnopilus have overlapping macro and micro characteristics ?
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Re: Supposed Gymnopilus luteofolius in Norway (October 2020) [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
#27239854 - 03/06/21 03:24 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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RenegadeMycologist said: It's an interesting find, did you investigate those woodchips, I guess they are not imported, probably made somewhere in Norway from native tree species ?
I'm pretty sure the chips are local, the area where the deposits are were previously a mixed forest area, and there is a lot of lumbering activity not too far away. But they could be any sort of trees, I guess.
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Also, did mycologist who identified them elaborated his reasons for labeling this collection luteofolius, since many Gymnopilus have overlapping macro and micro characteristics ?
No, I didn't get more than a "G. luteofolius for sure" reply. He's very busy, even at the age of 75 or something. I guess he must have compared to the previous Norwegian finds as well as consulting the literature.
I'm just curious if it turns up again. I think it is not unlikely, as the use of woodchips increases.
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Re: Supposed Gymnopilus luteofolius in Norway (October 2020) [Re: Anglerfish]
#27239893 - 03/06/21 04:44 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Supposed Gymnopilus luteofolius in Norway (October 2020) [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#27241454 - 03/07/21 05:54 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quoting in a comment from Alan (from the thread which kind of cross-pollinated into this one):
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Alan Rockefeller said: My guess is that it will turn out to be Gymnopilus subearliae, which has been found in Europe before. This species may be the same as G. thiersii and G. luteofolius. I can sequence it for you, though I have a lot of stuff here to sequence so if you can get it done there that would be quicker.
I'll see if I can get some material sent down to Alvalab.
Note: the name is apparently spelled G. subearlei, as that's the one that is listed in MO and SF.
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Re: Supposed Gymnopilus luteofolius in Norway (October 2020) [Re: Anglerfish]
#27241591 - 03/07/21 08:41 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Never heard of that species before. Whatever it is, it's obviously a observation of a rare species. Maybe the same species as KK was talking about.
When I read the guy said nothing but: for sure, I loled, I mean, he must have sampled this, that's why he's so sure. If he's a bit younger I would possibly think that. But I guess probably not. Anyway is it sampled by anyone? That could possibly give some new insight to this case.
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Anglerfish said: "I've seen quite a lot of Psathyrella, Hypholoma and Galerina, not to mention myriads of Tubaria and Peziza.
I guess those are observed at the exact same habitat/location ? Sometimes we turn our attention to psychoactive or any other mushroom we find interesting, and ignore all the others. Those ones should be inspected at least. If all of them turn out to be endemic, I see no reason why this Gymnopilus can't be.
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Re: Supposed Gymnopilus luteofolius in Norway (October 2020) [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
#27241644 - 03/07/21 09:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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RenegadeMycologist said: Never heard of that species before. Whatever it is, it's obviously a observation of a rare species.
There are 7 registered finds on MO, from Puerto Rico and Mexico:
https://mushroomobserver.org/observer/observation_search?pattern=gymnopilus+subearlei
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Maybe the same species as KK was talking about.
Possibly, although that find was 1500 kilometers north of where I live - which is quite astonishing since it is above the Arctic Circle, where the climate is very different from the usual habitats of G. luteofolius and allies. The most special thing about that find was the numbers - they counted over 6000 specimens!
Of course, the local newspaper put it on the front page under the headline "Rare LSD-containing mushroom found in woodchips". 
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When I read the guy said nothing but: for sure, I loled, I mean, he must have sampled this, that's why he's so sure. If he's a bit younger I would possibly think that. But I guess probably not. Anyway is it sampled by anyone? That could possibly give some new insight to this case.
I collected around 10 grams dry, primarily for analysis. I'm not very tempted at chugging down all that bitterness anyway, and since the mentioned alternatives are all considered weakly to moderately psychoactive, I can't see how a bioassay would say much about the taxonomy.
His conclusion (although perhaps temporary) is based on thorough microscopic analysis. Even if he was prone to ingest them, the sample I sent wouldn't have been enough to give any effects at all.
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Anglerfish said: "I've seen quite a lot of Psathyrella, Hypholoma and Galerina, not to mention myriads of Tubaria and Peziza.
I guess those are observed at the exact same habitat/location ? Sometimes we turn our attention to psychoactive or any other mushroom we find interesting, and ignore all the others. Those ones should be inspected at least. If all of them turn out to be endemic, I see no reason why this Gymnopilus can't be.
The species I recall observing in other piles of chips at the same location were Psathyrella (probably close to P. microrhiza), Galerina marginata, Hypholoma fasciculare and Tubaria furfuracea. Last year I also found some huge clusters of Agrocybe rivulosa.
I have no clue about which species of Peziza I have seen there, maybe several, maybe one, since they are literally everywhere, and I have very little knowledge of cup fungi.
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Re: Supposed Gymnopilus luteofolius in Norway (October 2020) [Re: Anglerfish]
#27241655 - 03/07/21 09:47 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Rare LSD-containing mushroom found in woodchips".  Hahahahahhahahahahahha I'm dead I was going through that article the other day, couldn't understand shit, but I was like, why is lsd mentioned here so many times. Lol now I know. Synthetic substance occuring naturally, one hell of a find !
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Re: Supposed Gymnopilus luteofolius in Norway (October 2020) [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
#27242783 - 03/08/21 07:14 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Gymnopilus subearlei wouldn't be my first guess due to lack of purplish tones in the stem, but they look a little pissed off so maybe don't have all the normal features.
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Re: Supposed Gymnopilus luteofolius in Norway (October 2020) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#27242825 - 03/08/21 07:48 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:they look a little pissed off so maybe don't have all the normal features.
The ones in the first row of pictures were pretty waterlogged when I found them, I guess they might have dried out at some point, then hit by some massive rain showers we were having at the time. The younger specimens in the second row seems to have been fresher, as you can see the veil is still intact.
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