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Offlineatsncpm
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ID help?
    #2723169 - 05/24/04 04:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Can someone help ID some mushrooms we found?

found on side of road in grass
brownish stems with fleshy ring around it
scaly beige tops
veil not attached
brownish blue gills
they bruise dark, but they are pretty dry
NW Alabama...
trying to post pics, but not sure if it's gonna happen

any help?







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Re: ID help? [Re: atsncpm]
    #2723334 - 05/24/04 04:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Ok... hopefully these pics will help


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Re: ID help? [Re: atsncpm]
    #2723340 - 05/24/04 04:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

a green spored lepoita (sp?) i think.

they are toxic so if that is what i think they are throw them away. do not eat.


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Re: ID help? [Re: atsncpm]
    #2723352 - 05/24/04 04:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Those are Agaricus, but identification to species is probably going to be impossible to do over the internet. One of the most important features for identifying Agaricus is bruising reactions on fresh specimens, but those look like they're already too far gone to get a proper reaction from. Another important feature is odor, but old specimens often develop odors that have little to do with the species.

Many species of Agaricus are edible (some are among the best edible mushrooms there are), and several are poisonous. None are active. Your specimens look too old to seriously consider for eating.

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Re: ID help? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2723392 - 05/24/04 04:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

if they are agaricus, (and im not nessisarily saying they are) then they are most likely Agaricus silvaticus.
however due to age it is also quite possible that they are something else. even gill color is not a reliable factor at this point as very aged specimines can exibit very brown gills when a fresh specimine is normally considered quite white.

it looks as though the gills are cream colored except for the edge which has turned dark possibly due to oxidization, also the margin is curling in which is a trait indicative of old lepiotas, also some stropharias (S. hardii. for ex)


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Re: ID help? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2723422 - 05/24/04 04:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

oh well... not going to risk eating them


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Re: ID help? [Re: atsncpm]
    #2723449 - 05/24/04 05:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

probably for the bestas if these WERE an edible species, the advanced age would indicate a strong chance of spoilage.
a spoled mushroom, comestibly speaking, is akin to eating rancid meat, and therefore potentially lethal.


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Re: ID help? [Re: MESCALATO]
    #2723564 - 05/24/04 05:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

MESCALATO
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[quote[a green spored lepoita (sp?) i think.




Hey, those are dark chocolate brown spores on that mushroom. Not green as you claim.

Here is a picture of a green-spored Leiopta (Chlorophyllum molybdites, Green gills ande Morgan's Lepiota).



Observe the green gills? Not brown as in the post above.

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Re: ID help? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2723881 - 05/24/04 06:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

they however are bruised brown where damaged. in the above shot. it is possible that advanced aging could cause a more cosmopolitan effect to occur over the entire visable gill area. also the veil edges are bruised brown, and the spot where the cap has been separated from the stipe has bruised deeply brown.
theres no reason apparent yet to beleive with certainty that the mushrooms are of any partiular genus, or even that they are notin fact, specifically; Chlorophyllum molybdites.
Which, the brown appearance of the gills (which may in fact occur in said species under certain curcumstances which happen to be occurring in this specific case) not withstanding.... (breath)
do indeed resemble green-gilled lepiotas very strongly.


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Re: ID help? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2723936 - 05/24/04 06:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

MItchnast, those are not dried green gill mushrooms.The caps to begin with are not whitish and they are very robust and the caps in Leipota turn upwqard in drying with age, not incurved as seen in the pictures posted above. Those are not Green gills.

They do have a ring. But I dounbt they are lepiotas.

mj

And they do not get blue gills. Olive green in green-gills. he saids the shroom gills were blue.

mj


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Re: ID help? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2723946 - 05/24/04 06:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)





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Re: ID help? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2723970 - 05/24/04 07:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You have a good point, Mitchnast. I jumped before we got a spore print color from him. And the large Lepiotas (and Chlorophyllum) do darken as they age.

The rings on the stem are more typical of Lepiotas than Agaricus.

These are a good reminder that gill color is not always the same as spore print color.

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Re: ID help? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2723989 - 05/24/04 07:06 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)


well i had just found these green spoered here in bimingham two days ago, and that was why i thought hers were green spores also.


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Re: ID help? [Re: MESCALATO]
    #2724014 - 05/24/04 07:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

should i even bother doing a spore print?


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Re: ID help? [Re: atsncpm]
    #2726108 - 05/25/04 03:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I suspect that getting a spore print will be difficult. But it's worth trying.

It might come out one of 3 colors. White would indicate Lepiota. Grayish green would indicate Chlorophyllum. Dark chocolate brown would indicate Agaricus.

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