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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Asante]
#27226525 - 02/25/21 07:51 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Asante said: Warning: a less pleasant side of Creation:
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Cordylobia anthropophaga, the mango fly, tumbu fly, tumba fly, putzi fly, or skin maggot fly, is a species of blow-fly common in East and Central Africa. It is a parasite of large mammals (including humans) during its larval stage.[1] C. anthropophaga has been endemic in the subtropics of Africa for more than 135 years and is a common cause of myiasis in humans in the region.[2]
Its specific epithet anthropophaga derives from the Greek word anthropophagos, "human eater".
The mode of infection by the Cayor Worm. Doctors Rodhain and Bequaert conclude, from their observations in the Congo Free State, that Cordylobia anthropophaga lays its eggs on the ground. The larvae, known generally as Cayor Worms, crawl over the soil until they come in contact with a mammal, penetrate the skin and lie in the subcutaneous tissue, causing the formation of tumors. On reaching full growth, the larvae leave the host, fall to the ground, bury themselves and then pupate. This fly is said to be the most common cause of human or animal myiasis in tropical Africa, from Senegal to Natal. In the region of Lower Katanga where these investigations were made, dogs appeared to be the principal hosts, although Cordylobia larvae were found also in guinea-pigs, a monkey, and two humans. The larvae are always localized on those parts of the hosts which come in immediate contact with the soil."
— Ann. Soc. Entom. de Belgique, Iv, pp. 192–197, 1911) summary translation in Entomological News. 1911 Vol. xxii:467.
Why?
Why does God allow for this to exist?
How do mango worms fit into your understanding of the Divine Universe?
Why do they not inhabit mangoes, or at least, the dead?
Why do they not clean out existing wounds but create new ones, to feast?
Please explain it as you see it.
Opinions differ so, lets hear yours.
We have God and we have the Mango Fly.
Why?
The Bible answers this in the first few pages.
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 ¶ And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
This world is not paradise, the next one might be
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Neurotech]
#27226938 - 02/26/21 03:30 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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> I cannot fathom how one could create a physical world that is benevolent in all ways
yeah exactly, if a world has laws and rules and is consistent, it cannot be benevolent. So even God is limited in what he can do.
of course God could create "non-physical" kind of dream world where all conscious beings would experience eternal bliss. But maybe that's the world God comes from, and he wanted something more serious and interesting
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Asante]
#27226998 - 02/26/21 05:20 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Asante said: Warning: a less pleasant side of Creation:
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Cordylobia anthropophaga, the mango fly, tumbu fly, tumba fly, putzi fly, or skin maggot fly, is a species of blow-fly common in East and Central Africa. It is a parasite of large mammals (including humans) during its larval stage.[1] C. anthropophaga has been endemic in the subtropics of Africa for more than 135 years and is a common cause of myiasis in humans in the region.[2]
Its specific epithet anthropophaga derives from the Greek word anthropophagos, "human eater".
The mode of infection by the Cayor Worm. Doctors Rodhain and Bequaert conclude, from their observations in the Congo Free State, that Cordylobia anthropophaga lays its eggs on the ground. The larvae, known generally as Cayor Worms, crawl over the soil until they come in contact with a mammal, penetrate the skin and lie in the subcutaneous tissue, causing the formation of tumors. On reaching full growth, the larvae leave the host, fall to the ground, bury themselves and then pupate. This fly is said to be the most common cause of human or animal myiasis in tropical Africa, from Senegal to Natal. In the region of Lower Katanga where these investigations were made, dogs appeared to be the principal hosts, although Cordylobia larvae were found also in guinea-pigs, a monkey, and two humans. The larvae are always localized on those parts of the hosts which come in immediate contact with the soil."
— Ann. Soc. Entom. de Belgique, Iv, pp. 192–197, 1911) summary translation in Entomological News. 1911 Vol. xxii:467.
Why?
Why does God allow for this to exist?
How do mango worms fit into your understanding of the Divine Universe?
Why do they not inhabit mangoes, or at least, the dead?
Why do they not clean out existing wounds but create new ones, to feast?
Please explain it as you see it.
Opinions differ so, lets hear yours.
We have God and we have the Mango Fly.
Why?
Do you believe God is infinite, eternal, omnipresent, and omnipotent? If so, then God IS the mango fly and the mango. If God were not, mangos and mango flies would limit God's infinity, eternity, omnipresence, and omniscience to that which is not mangos and mango flies.
If god is both fly and mango, there is ultimately no evil perpetrated although it seems that way on the "surface". If you divide God from "creation", there will be these conundruma like "why suffering?" "why evil?"
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Fierce Deity]
#27227110 - 02/26/21 07:59 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I love the qualities of an infinite, eternal God, and the idea of Creation along with nature's predetermined Laws.
A omnipresence and omnipotent God, that most modern christianity and major religious denominations teaches, are the common and not so common misconceptions about the being of God.
ascribing this false qualities to God, is actually antithetic to a God described in the very books they read and preach, concluding that God can do everything, is everywhere actually constitutes an insult and blasphemy unto the unfathomable majesty of the Most High. There are many impossibilities to God cited in the writings, A perfect God is limited to be true and faithful. Sorry if I tackled this, not debating and just sharing.
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: pacmanbreed] 3
#27232223 - 03/01/21 03:07 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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In my view (and many modern day philosophers' views), a god cannot be all of: all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good, simultaneously unless we are too stupid to know his motives (i.e. "god works in mysterious ways") but then we are at least smart enough to reason that the burden of responsibility for us being too stupid is on god themself, so the question becomes: why would an all good, all powerful, all knowing god reduce our free will by creating us to be too dumb to comprehend (and thus accept & celebrate) the love god is claimed to provide?
The core tenet of all theistic religions claiming to have an all good, all powerful and all knowing god is circular argumentation. Modern day philosophers know this as they have studied religion and worked with theologians extensively to get the bottom of this question.
The only reasonable explanation for god is that god doesn't meet the 3 above criteria, (e.g. god is helpless to save us, unaware, or is complicit in our suffering and thus not all that good). In this case I would reject god and call them Satan... It's no wonder satanists consider the biblical representation of Lucifer to be benevolent with this considered.
I do believe we each have an inborn psychological drive towards spiritual connection. This is evident by the significance of the psychedelic experience. But as the psychedelic experience is not tampered with by the egotistical and dogmatic perceptions of human constructs (such as in the case of biblical interpretations), but is authorized by the natural composition of psychoactive molecules, interpretations and arguments surrounding the experience don't need to be made. The phenomenology of the experience itself is spiritual. There is no need to be erroneously inferring existences of alternate realities and gods that function in ways beyond our perception.
This is just my  - I recognize that for many people religion is just a matter of pragmatics (such as a psychological support mechanism) rather than a metaphysical interrogation. But, we also need to consider the very real implications of supporting religious institutions that can lead to quite immoral outcomes...
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Rhizomorph] 1
#27232304 - 03/01/21 04:13 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Rhizomorph said: In my view (and many modern day philosophers' views), a god cannot be all of: all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good, simultaneously unless we are too stupid to know his motives (i.e. "god works in mysterious ways") but then we are at least smart enough to reason that the burden of responsibility for us being too stupid is on god themself, so the question becomes: why would an all good, all powerful, all knowing god reduce our free will by creating us to be too dumb to comprehend (and thus accept & celebrate) the love god is claimed to provide?
The core tenet of all theistic religions claiming to have an all good, all powerful and all knowing god is circular argumentation. Modern day philosophers know this as they have studied religion and worked with theologians extensively to get the bottom of this question.
The only reasonable explanation for god is that god doesn't meet the 3 above criteria, (e.g. god is helpless to save us, unaware, or is complicit in our suffering and thus not all that good). In this case I would reject god and call them Satan... It's no wonder satanists consider the biblical representation of Lucifer to be benevolent with this considered.
I do believe we each have an inborn psychological drive towards spiritual connection. This is evident by the significance of the psychedelic experience. But as the psychedelic experience is not tampered with by the egotistical and dogmatic perceptions of human constructs (such as in the case of biblical interpretations), but is authorized by the natural composition of psychoactive molecules, interpretations and arguments surrounding the experience don't need to be made. The phenomenology of the experience itself is spiritual. There is no need to be erroneously inferring existences of alternate realities and gods that function in ways beyond our perception.
This is just my  - I recognize that for many people religion is just a matter of pragmatics (such as a psychological support mechanism) rather than a metaphysical interrogation. But, we also need to consider the very real implications of supporting religious institutions that can lead to quite immoral outcomes... 
Depends on what you mean as "Good". If by "good" you mean makes all existence possible, then its good by me. All powerful? Perhaps choosing (for good reason like the need for duality in order to exist and be aware) not to change the things as they are. And he/she has given us the tools we need to learn to know God. Consciousness, intelligence and psychedelics too. I think its good. We live in the best of all possible worlds. (That's Voltaire).
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Neurotech] 1
#27232439 - 03/01/21 05:38 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Neurotech said: Depends on what you mean as "Good". If by "good" you mean makes all existence possible, then its good by me. All powerful? Perhaps choosing (for good reason like the need for duality in order to exist and be aware) not to change the things as they are. And he/she has given us the tools we need to learn to know God. Consciousness, intelligence and psychedelics too. I think its good. We live in the best of all possible worlds. (That's Voltaire).
By good I mean all good. Making existence possible is not inherently "good" (according to us as humans) unless it matches the qualities we innately perceive and experience as "good". This is a moot point, but one could argue that making an existence possible is not good if that existence is hell (which is very well is for somebody somewhere - the dogs with mango worms for example who were born starving and died in a few weeks to infections and parasites).
Sure, by your example provided, god would be all powerful, but my argument is not that god can't be one or even 2 of the 3 criteria I provided, it is that the 3 together cannot coexist with the most advanced level of logic humans are capable of (I believe the expert consensus of experts on religion, i.e. philosophers with expertise in epistemology, should be the gold standard for this level of logic).
With your example god could be all good but then he would not be all powerful as he can't prevent our suffering. If, as you say he is creating duality between good and bad to allow us to exist and be aware (thus doing it for a good reason), then he must not be all powerful as an all powerful god should be able to alter the unstated premise you implied that is "duality is essential for existence and awareness". If god is all powerful and all good he would (according to the best of human logic - i.e the expert consensus among philosophers) use his power to eliminate the "bad" in duality and create a universe that is both inherently good, and involves free will, because he can bend the rules at will and do whatever the fuck he wants 
In short, god's goodness in your example is conditional on him lacking the power to void humans of all things bad.
Consciousness, intelligence and psychedelics are not causally related to god and have many limitations as subjective measures. Psychology has revealed time and time again that these aspects of humans are unreliable. There are also highly intelligent, conscious people who use psychedelics (I believe myself to be one of these people, I hope ) who does not believe in god, even despite projections of the mind that take the form of a "god". Enough experience with psychedelics has taught me that psychedelics can manifest projections of "god", "aliens", "entities", "telepathy" etc. in the mind, and yet I have the common sense to realize that a drug which causes massive, in-ordinary communication between the entire brain can produce the illusion of impossible realities. When a hypothesis has evidence, but that evidence is far less than the evidence for alternative hypotheses, we need not overturn that hypothesis, but it is illogical to start living our lives as though that hypothesis is confirmed. Otherwise we might as well take the skeptic's position and start believing that we are brains in a vat (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat ).
If we are using personal testimonies of people who had an experience of god under the influence of psychedelics as evidence, then god seemingly only reveals themself to select people. Not only this, but different people have different personal standards for what constitutes causal evidence of something. Lastly, what about the people who have learning disorders (inhibited intellect), can't access psychedelics or people with disorders of consciousness? How can we justify an all powerful god fundamentally discriminating access to knowledge to select individuals?
I consider the universe to be infinitely beautiful because it is random, but if there exists an all powerful all knowing god then the universe suddenly appears very grim because of all the undue cruelty there appears to be considering that a sentient being has control over all this suffering and does nothing.
Again these are just my thoughts. I'm open to productive discussion 
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Rhizomorph]
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A lot of interesting points. Enough that I will read again. But one element of your argument about whether God is omnipotent makes an assumption that may not be true. You say God cannot be all powerful since he cannot end all suffering. The assumption is that he wants to but can’t? Who says he wants to? You are assuming that your perception of good is universal. Genesis lists the dualities involved in creation. And after each set of opposites that were created from the “void”, God declared that “...it was good”. I don’t take bible literally. Rather symbolically. But I love the Genesis story.
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Neurotech]
#27237655 - 03/04/21 08:05 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Neurotech said: But one element of your argument about whether God is omnipotent makes an assumption that may not be true. You say God cannot be all powerful since he cannot end all suffering. The assumption is that he wants to but can’t? Who says he wants to? You are assuming that your perception of good is universal. Genesis lists the dualities involved in creation. And after each set of opposites that were created from the “void”, God declared that “...it was good”. I don’t take bible literally. Rather symbolically. But I love the Genesis story.
I think we're on the same page about what I mean by the perception of good but I must clarify that it is not my perception of good I am referring to, but the empirically studied cognitions around good (or altruism) that all humans are born with. Yes we may disagree what this good looks like (ethical dilemmas demonstrate this), but we all know suffering to be "bad" - we all have a working construct of good that is opposite of bad and is constructed in part by our genes, which is the part of good I will be focusing on for the sake of saying there is at least common themes of good inherent to all humans.
With this in mind, if duality is required for good to occur, then two considerations come to mind:
1) Humans are born oriented towards making decisions guided by operant conditioning dependent on what they deem good or bad, and experience as good and bad. Considering that many people don't believe in a god, and this hedonistic treadmill can be one of the means of people coming to this decision, then it is the condition of suffering that god has created itself that prevents people from coming to "find god" (The inequality of religious knowledge I mentioned before extends on this to make it extra horrifying if god exists). Moreover, I would be too dumb to believe in him as well because I can logically come to other conclusions, but by virtue of being too dumb, I can't logically come to the conclusion of gods existence. In which case my argument that god has created humans too stupid to reasonably believe in him/her still remains. Thus, I am not saying that my view of good is universal, but only that if god's view of good is superior, we cannot to the best of human logic comprehend that - it is not about me, but about inborn human traits. This either invalidates god being all powerful, or invalidates the expectation and ability for us to worship him - it is not impossible that an all knowing all good, all powerful god exists, but on the principle you provided, we logically have no reason to conclude he exists.
The assumption that god wants to be good but can't is conditional on the premises - that is, god is all good and all knowing. Logically we have to assume god wants to remove evil if he shares the same view of good as humans, and if he doesn't, well then we're just too dumb to understand as I already stated. But to expand on this, even our working definition of all good is conditional on our(humans) view of good. I mean if we want to say there's something reminiscent of "good" that god manifests, then we could, but then he still isn't actually good, just something similar we don't know of as we cannot separate good from our working definition. Then, the reminiscent quality of "good" is a complete shot in the dark - if we were to say that god themself defines goodness to us as humans, then the argument becomes circular as it is then dependent on the conclusion of god existing in the first place. For this reason, we have to use the human-constructed definition of good, otherwise the argument falls short of logically valid, non-circular reasoning
I also want to point out that some humans claiming to have infallible personal experiences of god is not a reasonable way around this argument, because then god has not provided an empirical method of humans to share that knowledge with other humans - god would then be selective and discriminatory about religious information. The bible is not an empirical method of knowledge transference.
2)If god were all powerful, he wouldn't need to create opposites from the void. He could just create good, without the bad. As I said, all powerful means all powerful - i.e. one can break the rules - any reason we could provide for why bad is necessary for good or for our existence is overturned by the all powerful quality since this quality allows the possibilities to be endless (and thus it would be possible for a reality to be created where our reasons don't apply despite them seeming impossible in our current reality). Your argument implies that god is not more powerful than genesis.
I get the sense that the second argument you made (that I addressed in section 2) is dependent on your reasoning in argument 1. In which case, your argument remains that we just can't understand god's goodness, which for multiple reasons aforementioned, is not a valid argument.
At the end of the day, I don't intend to disprove god, but only to provide thoughtful discourse that outlines how we logically have no reason to conclude in god's existence at this time, even if we can't fundamentally disprove their existence. In science researchers often cling to theories in the face of recalcitrant evidence, but this is not the same as accepting those theories - a theory must be the best explanation and lead way to the greatest production of knowledge compared to any other theory for it to be reasonably accepted. In my view (and may philosophers' views), religious theories don't stand up to the other theories. I'd love to see it continue being explored as a possibility, I just hate seeing it accepted as a reality in the face of empirically superior theories that produce more knowledge, both applied and theoretical.
Faith is great - I have faith in many things. But I don't have faith in a teapot orbiting the sun, nor will I go about my life as though this is a reality.
I hope I'm not being too critical or overbearing - I quite enjoy discussing epistemology
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Rhizomorph]
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You equate "good" with "altruism". Can you think of an example of altruism that doesn't require a less than good situation in which to be altruistic?
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Neurotech]
#27238920 - 03/05/21 03:16 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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somewhat privileged in having seen, hence not having to believe
however, the true nature of Gawud is not purely altruistic, or in tune with human morality, nor is God perfect.
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Neurotech]
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Neurotech said: You equate "good" with "altruism". Can you think of an example of altruism that doesn't require a less than good situation in which to be altruistic?
Only under impossible circumstances that become possible under the all-powerful principle 
I believe I summed it up pretty well before when I said:
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Rhizomorph said: If, as you say he is creating duality between good and bad to allow us to exist and be aware (thus doing it for a good reason), then he must not be all powerful as an all powerful god should be able to alter the unstated premise you implied that is "duality is essential for existence and awareness".
But I will expand on this notion directly connecting it to what you said:
Infinite goodness without evil is impossible for us to imagine because our capability to imagine exists within the rules of the universe where evil is necessary for good to occur. But the all-powerful principle by virtue of being all-powerful means it is more powerful than the laws of the universe itself. Unless as I said we are too dumb to understand, but then refer to my argument made before about being too dumb.
We can comprehend that the all-powerful principle means being able to break the rules, but as a creature who is not all-powerful, not all-knowing, and exists within the confines of the universe, I could not tell you what it looks like unless I was your supposed god or lived within this universe where the rules of our universe are broken. It's like a 2 dimensional creature trying to explain to another 2 dimensional creature what the 3rd dimension is like. They exist outside it and thus their thinking itself exists in 2 dimensions. But, 2 dimensional beings can understand the concept of power and how all-powerful creatures could create dimensions that in their world are impossible. As such, it is irrelevant whether we can imagine it, or if I can think of an example to give you. The all powerful principle means god can do whatever he wants. Make unicorns that exist and don't exist simultaneously? god can do it. Wants to make a third dimension to temperature? god can do it.
If its dependent on what humans are capable of understanding then god is not all powerful as the power is now conditional. If its not dependent on human knowledge, well then as I said before god has created us too dumb to reasonably believe in god.
How this argument fits into expert discourse - the problem of evil and theodicy's that attempt to reconcile it
Nearly each explanation for the problem of evil I've described has been discussed by philosophers at length. So much so that theists have spent a lot of time trying to reconcile the dilemma. Philosophers call these attempts a "theodicy", but virtually no theodicy that maintains the 3 domains I mentioned prior consistently stands up to the criticisms. In fact, many theologists have resolved to accepting the problem of evil, and viewing their god(s) as perfect in 2 of the 3 domains, and only near-perfect in whichever third domain. For example, in the finite god theodicy, people believe that god is the second-most powerful force after the metaphysical fabric we exist in. In this theodicy where god is all-good, all-knowing, and nearly all-powerful, the lack of power implied in your argument (god being unable to create a universe inherently good where evil doesn't exist) is now consistent with the theodicy.
The "we can't experience good without bad" theodicy has also been criticized as, even if my argument above (that the all-powerful principle = possible for good not to depend on bad) were discounted it only really addresses human evils, but fails to address natural evils, and evils that surpass good like parasitic mango worms, natural disasters. PTSD, etc. The questions then become "why doesn't god just expose us to small amounts of bad? If bad is required to experience good, why do we have creatures that experience such horrific extents of pain/bad, and die before they get the opportunity to grow from the bad or experience goodness? What goodness could possibly make up for something like the holocaust? It's a pretty grim and depressing argument in my opinion. But my primary argument is the one based on the all-powerful principle surpassing duality anyways so
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said: however, the true nature of Gawud is not purely altruistic, or in tune with human morality, nor is God perfect.
I believe this interpretation to be far more logically consistent with the problem of evil. I like the way you think
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Rhizomorph]
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well an e weighs nothing can come into existence from nothingness. but if you walk in circles on morphine you can open the sands of time and travel hel the psionic waygates deep in hollow earth
i found an air force bunker with three men in a room sawn in half from head to toe hitting each other, ive been inside the sun before
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Asante]
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There is a God, but not the one everyone wants.
There is a God who makes everyone pay, because they lack themselves.
There is a God who rewards wrongfully, at the expense of victims.
There is a God, who gets bribed to look the other way.
There is a God who most would consider a psychopath,
Yet this God has the power to avoid punishment, and keep doing those things to people,
Keep teaching them to do those things to eachother.
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Asante]
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There is not "a God"
I heard it today -there are the old gods. And lots or most of them were female- but at a certain points in history some 5000 years ago women were cast out and shunned - whereas before they held the most powerful positions in society-
and it seems the male gender is so trained to subdue and sexize the female gender that it makes you wonder what the females were doing to the males some 5000 years before recorded history that made the males so power controlling.
Instead of holding the power over people- the women held the power- and men were just like slaves at one point of the Anubis doctrine.
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LosTresOjos
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Registered: 09/18/18
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Fiery]
#27268722 - 03/25/21 10:41 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Any body have actual proof and not just mumbo mixed with jumbo?
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Asante
Mage


Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,958
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: LosTresOjos]
#27268846 - 03/25/21 12:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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LosTresOjos said: Any body have actual proof and not just mumbo mixed with jumbo?
Believe in God in the complete absence of proof.
Believe in God, despite overwhelming conviction in those around you to the contrary.
Believe in God, 100% upfront, more than you believe in anything.
That's the best thing you can do.
Throw yourself into the Divine Fire, Faith First.
You wouldnt do this for anything less but the Totality of Everything.
But do it, for That.
-------------------- Omnicyclion.org higher knowledge starts here
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Fiery
Sword of Fire


Registered: 12/24/12
Posts: 36,574
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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Asante] 1
#27268863 - 03/25/21 12:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously yes--- and +1
I cringe at the people asking for "proof" of god and pray that someday they will find it before they die- because surely there is no stopping it then.
I think the problem here is peoples concept of God. "God" is not a concept that be defined by your singular experiences or even words
Let us all hold hands and pray for this earth and that the blind may see before it's too late- and may we be guides when necessary and swords and shields when not.
The truth will set you free.
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