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#27217546 - 02/20/21 10:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill
‘The sheer stupidity of this bill is overwhelming’By Evan Symon, February 18, 2021 7:00 pm Original post in reactionary punishment-friendly anti-progress California GlobeSonoramo's note: I do not agree with the political position presented here. I am posting this so that Shroomery readers get a picture of what decriminalization is up against.A new bill introduced Wednesday in the State Senate would legalize several psychedelic drugs such as LSD and psilocybin “magic” mushrooms. Senate Bill 519, authored by Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco), would make psilocybin (magic mushrooms), dimethyltryptamine (psychedelic drug DMT), ibogaine (psychedelic substance), mescaline (psychedelic hallucinogen), lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), ketamine (“dissociative anesthetic”), and 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamin e (MDMA, ecstasy, molly,) legal to possess for personal use and social sharing. SB 519 would also set strict limits on who can use the drugs, penalizing those who are under the age of 21 for using drugs, as well as possessing the drugs on school property.
Those with prior criminal offenses for possession and use would have also have their records expunger under the bill, with the California Department of Public Health to come up with regulations and therapeutic uses of the legalized psychedelics by 2024.
According to Senator Wiener’s office, the bill will not follow the cannabis model to form a retail trade of the drugs. Instead, Senator Wiener wrote SB 519 as a way to end the mass incarceration that occurred during the war on drugs, as well as to increase scientific and medical testing to help those suffering from mental health conditions such as PTSD and depression.
“Policy should be based on science and common sense, not fear and stigma,” Senator Wiener said in a press release. “The War on Drugs and mass incarceration are destructive and failed policies, and we must end them. Moreover, given the severity of our mental health crisis, we shouldn’t be criminalizing people for using drugs that have shown significant promise in treating mental health conditions.”
Other legislative supporters of the bill gave similar reasons for legalization, with many emphasizing the effects that criminalization of psychedelics have had on minority communities.
“This bill is part of a larger push to end the failed War on Drugs, which has disproportionately harmed underserved communities of color,” added Assemblyman Evan Low (D-Campbell). “Our bill helps to lead us on a path to decriminalizing substance abuse so we can focus on providing addiction treatment instead of paying for jail cells and ignoring the larger problem.”
Opposition quickly forms against SB 519
While there have been some support of SB 519, many fellow legislators, law enforcement officials, and numerous public safety groups have come out against the bill, with many noting the dangers that psychedelics can bring.
“The dangers of psychedelics, more commonly called hallucinogens, are well documented,” former police officer and current drug counselor Marty Ribera explained to the Globe. “I read through this bill. Where are the parts that mention bad trips? Or the depression the drugs bring to users? Or, in the case of magic mushrooms, the inability to tell between the hallucination and real life? What about the deaths and injuries they cause. What about the long-term psychosis that many users develop? They’ve been banned for a reason.
“I asked 7 doctors about this bill before the interview, and they all thought it was a joke to legalize all of these. They all did say that any medical benefits should be studied, but making them legal for medical testing and just flat out making it legal across the board are two wildly different things.
“They’re trying to make this about the war on drugs, but this is a public safety issue. These kinds of drugs are much more impairing than alcohol or marijuana, and legalizing would not only increase the danger but cause testing problems. There is still no solid metric for testing for marijuana driving while high, and all of these thrown in would just be hell on police.
“We should test and look into medical testing legalization only. If taking some mushrooms really does help, say, a returning soldier who has PTSD, like some studies are beginning to show, then let’s be scientific and create viable limits. SB 519 says it’s scientific, but in reality, it’s just reckless because it legalizes everything at once. Not safe, very limited, controlled testing that would be the smart thing to do. But full blown legalization.
“The sheer stupidity of this bill is overwhelming.”
SB 519 is due to be brought up to a committee in the coming weeks.
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 Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: sonoramo]
#27217560 - 02/20/21 10:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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“Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself..." - Jimmy Carter
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Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: Holybullshit]
#27217691 - 02/21/21 12:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I love Cali
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Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: Stranger69]
#27217885 - 02/21/21 06:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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What a time for Joe Rogan to have left. I doubt we'll see a blanket decriminalization of psychedelics in Texas in the very near future.
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Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: ReynardTheFox]
#27217913 - 02/21/21 07:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fuck Joe Rogan. That asshat acts as a mouthpiece for nutjobs so he can make money off their crazy, without a care for the damage helping them spread their nonsense causes.
It'd be one thing if he at least somewhat challenged them on his show, he generally stops shy of endorsement but he never disagrees, he just sits there and gives them a platform for hours on end. Not to mention he's got his own history of racist and sexist positions to answer for.
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Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: Holybullshit]
#27218157 - 02/21/21 09:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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You do know that there's all kinds of basic reporting of this without all the conservative BS thrown in right?
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Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: superreggie]
#27218301 - 02/21/21 11:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe, this can be calculated on a spreadsheet --
subsidies in
subsidies out
Whatever is the most profitable outcome will be promoted as ethical and normal.
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Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: superreggie]
#27218839 - 02/21/21 05:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
superreggie said:
You do know that there's all kinds of basic reporting of this without all the conservative BS thrown in right?
I'm not sure if you intended the question for Holybullshit or me. As I wrote in a note I added to the story, I posted this article to show what kind of opposition SB 519 might face. I had already posted two more favorable articles on this Shroomery thread.
It can be hard to predict what kind of dialog would promote the bill's passage or rejection. Obviously crazy opposition arguments would probably help. Well-reasoned opposition arguments that exploit commonly accepted falsehoods about the subject would probably hurt it. IMHO, this article is kind of on the edge between those. The scare-mongering would probably have swayed many opinions a decade ago. However there is now much more awareness and scare-mongering that would once have been accepted as "common sense" may well seem more crazy and non-credible today.
Only time will tell,...
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Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: superreggie]
#27219782 - 02/22/21 08:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
superreggie said:
You do know that there's all kinds of basic reporting of this without all the conservative BS thrown in right?
That's the problem with "both sides" reporting.
Even just reporters trying to be ethical feel pressure to give equal attention to "both sides"(too bad fox news and the like feel no such responsibility).
So you end up with half factual reporting, and half propaganda and lies, even in good reporting. And then the pressure to remain unbiased means these falsehoods and untenable positions go unchallenged.
Not that I think this guy is being fair or unbiased...but he is at least trying to appear ethical.
If you'll notice the first half of the article is quotes from people in support, and the second half from people against...it's the fact that the article ends with those against that leaves the taste of bullshit in your mouth.
I'm sure that was intentional on the part of the writer, it's a well known fact that whatever you read at the end of an article/paper leaves the biggest impact.
But his bias really shows with the next sentence.
Quote:
While there have been some support of SB 519, many fellow legislators, law enforcement officials, and numerous public safety groups have come out against the bill, with many noting the dangers that psychedelics can bring.
There is the juxtaposition of some vs many/numerous...but also the fact that the supporters are apparently all nameless. unorganized, and isolated; while the opponents get named(legislators, law enforcement, public safety groups) adding more weight and legitimacy to their argument. And of course the way he states the "dangers" of psychedelic use as if its a matter of fact, not something up for debate.
Edited by Holybullshit (02/22/21 08:48 AM)
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Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: sonoramo]
#27219807 - 02/22/21 08:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Unfortunately, the scare-mongering absolutely still works on the ignorant masses, with those who may be on the fence but aren't informed on the topic. i.e. baby boomers and suburban housewives
It's a testament to the power of propaganda and the lack of critical thinking skills in their supporters that the GOP has been able to maintain a hold on the "less government, more liberty" folks while maintaining such policy positions.
It's been clear for decades to anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass that what they really mean is "bad government, more liberty(for corporations)"...yet they remain rabidly loyal.
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 Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: Holybullshit]
#27220005 - 02/22/21 10:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is where the saying, 'consider the source' is appropriate. The California Globe is a small, relatively new, right leaning website. The more traditional news sources, including left leaning, mainstream, and libertarian sites, do present this story in a more balanced, factual, and less biased way.
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Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: veggie] 1
#27346846 - 06/13/21 01:48 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just FYI, SB-519 has passed through the CA Senate and is now in it's first reading in the CA Assembly. The CA Assembly has 60 Democrats, 19 repubs and 1 independent. Fingers crossed that this will pass before the mid-terms and then be signed into law by Newsom. If that doesn't happen Decriminalize California vows that it will be on the mid-term ballot.
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Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: veggie]
#27347573 - 06/14/21 06:07 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
veggie said:
This is where the saying, 'consider the source' is appropriate. The California Globe is a small, relatively new, right leaning website. The more traditional news sources, including left leaning, mainstream, and libertarian sites, do present this story in a more balanced, factual, and less biased way.
Most GOP voters no longer get their "news" from traditional news sources.
And any true libertarian would be absolutely disgusted by what has happened to the right in the US.
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Re: [CA] Psychedelic Drugs Such As LSD, Mescaline May Be Legalized In New Bill [Re: Holybullshit]
#27349139 - 06/15/21 10:57 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bill Information >> Bill Search >> Today's Law As Amended
SB-519 Controlled substances: decriminalization of certain hallucinogenic substances.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billCompareClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB519&showamends=false
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