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Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY
#27216859 - 02/20/21 02:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have searched about drinking liquid cultures and people on this site seem to get mad and attack the person asking about drinking/ eating mycelium from a liquid culture without any good reasons as to why it wouldn't work. I have been reading Radical Mycology which is a very well written book on all things mushrooms from a very experienced and knowledgeable mycologist. There is a section detailing “The Medicine of a Liquid Culture”. In this it says that both the mycelium and the broth are both potent medicine. If you grow a large liquid culture you can filter out the mycelium, dry it out, then powder it and eat its medicinal properties. You can also concentrate the broth and ingest it to get the mushroom enzymes left in the liquid from the mycelium. You can eat the powdered mycelium or you can go further and extract compounds from the pure mycelium through other means. So as i see it you can safely use liquid cultures to make mushroom supplements. That being said i dont know how much psilocybin would be in the mycelium but im sure you could ethanol extract it and see how the effects are or it could be used as is as a means of micro dosing. And as long as a make a tester jar to make sure it isn’t contaminated it should be very safe and effective way to get mushroom compounds without ever fruiting the mushrooms.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: MycoMykey] 2
#27216892 - 02/20/21 02:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just grow mushrooms man.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: coversall]
#27216904 - 02/20/21 03:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I definitely will keep growing mushrooms but that doesn't mean you cant find different ways to do things. Thats how you innovate the field. Not by doing that same thing the same way every single time. Mycology is a relatively unknown science and gives us a chance to try and do new things and learn from them. I dont see why people get so offended when people want to try new things that might actually be more efficient than the way things are done currently.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: MycoMykey]
#27216931 - 02/20/21 03:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Easy now. No one is offended.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: coversall]
#27216962 - 02/20/21 03:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wasn’t talking about you more about the people i saw on the couple other threads about this subject. People would just ask if drinking it or using it was possible and they would just insult the person for even asking about it when it is actually a very viable way to do it😂
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: MycoMykey]
#27216963 - 02/20/21 03:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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There’s only a few species known to have active mycelium, I know people made myceliated rice and ate it so I’m sure you could strain out an lc and eat the myc no problem with the right kind.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: A.k.a]
#27216972 - 02/20/21 03:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ya thats what i want to do. Im probably going to make a very large liquid culture in a carboy that you would normally ferment beer in and grow the mycelium out as much as it can and then strain and dry it. Do you happen to know which strains do have active mycelium by any chance?
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: MycoMykey]
#27216985 - 02/20/21 03:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe the guy that originally made that tek was using Ps Cyanscens but he also thought you could dry out ethanol extract which results in inactive gunk and was using a saccrimeter which is a very expensive scientific tool.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: A.k.a]
#27216986 - 02/20/21 03:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: There’s only a few species known to have active mycelium, I know people made myceliated rice and ate it so I’m sure you could strain out an lc and eat the myc no problem with the right kind.
sempriviva is one but if you think about the actual mass of myc in a LC may get a dry gram or 2 in a quart. while if u grew stones for example it would be much more productive and just as easy/easier faster.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: the man]
#27216997 - 02/20/21 03:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have in the past used grain alcohol to extract from dry cube fruits and it worked fairly well and made a pretty potent extract. Although i did not dry it out i only evaporated most of the alcohol out but still left some as a preservative and so it could be easily measured out with an oral syringe
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: MycoMykey] 1
#27216998 - 02/20/21 03:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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MycoMykey said: I have searched about drinking liquid cultures and people on this site seem to get mad and attack the person asking about drinking/ eating mycelium from a liquid culture without any good reasons as to why it wouldn't work. I have been reading Radical Mycology which is a very well written book on all things mushrooms from a very experienced and knowledgeable mycologist. There is a section detailing “The Medicine of a Liquid Culture”. In this it says that both the mycelium and the broth are both potent medicine. If you grow a large liquid culture you can filter out the mycelium, dry it out, then powder it and eat its medicinal properties. You can also concentrate the broth and ingest it to get the mushroom enzymes left in the liquid from the mycelium. You can eat the powdered mycelium or you can go further and extract compounds from the pure mycelium through other means. So as i see it you can safely use liquid cultures to make mushroom supplements. That being said i dont know how much psilocybin would be in the mycelium but im sure you could ethanol extract it and see how the effects are or it could be used as is as a means of micro dosing. And as long as a make a tester jar to make sure it isn’t contaminated it should be very safe and effective way to get mushroom compounds without ever fruiting the mushrooms.
🤦🏻♂️ here we go again and as stated previously above just grow the mushrooms man
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: jcm4620]
#27217015 - 02/20/21 03:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If The Wright brothers listened to the people who said “just walk there man thats how we’ve always gotten places” the world would be a very different place. If a good way to do this is figured out it could cut cultivation time from inoculation to tripping in half and the costs too.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: MycoMykey]
#27217023 - 02/20/21 04:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I see your philosophical point there. However to grow an LC culture to anywhere near the mass of mature mushrooms would not be quicker or more efficient. A cloud of myc suspended in lc might look like a lot of material, but strain it out and dry it - you will end up with a thin sheet of white film like a peice of zig zag rolling paper. Add to that the very likely much lower potency and you have yourself a pretty tidy fail. Try it anyways
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: Smartattack]
#27217033 - 02/20/21 04:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol newbs comparing themselves to wright brothers trust the process lots of folks who are crazy knowledgable if better easier way it would be happening. always small improvements but best to get yourself up to speed on cultivation then start trying stuff out! save yourself alot of time!
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: the man]
#27217046 - 02/20/21 04:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea i realize on a small scale it wouldn't be super practical but if you had a very large culture the lower yield would be off set by being able to have a final product in a couple weeks instead of a couple months. Plus the cost of growing it would be so much less because you wouldn't need to buy substrate or invest in fruiting chambers. If you had a large enough vat you could have a pretty substantial amount of myc.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: MycoMykey]
#27217054 - 02/20/21 04:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wasnt comparing myself to the wright brothers i was comparing the situation of either doing it the way it’s always been done or trying new ways that might actually be better or just different from how its done normally
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: MycoMykey]
#27217061 - 02/20/21 04:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh and this tek came from Peter McCoy. Its in his book Radical Mycology. So ya its from someone crazy knowledgeable about this stuff.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: MycoMykey]
#27217251 - 02/20/21 06:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do a search on myceliated rice. That’s probably the best way. Colonize a bunch of rice then dry and powder it.
If you could get like a water heater size lc going somehow then you might produce enough mycelium but like he said there’s very little in an lc.
Also looking into how they process mycelium leather might help too. I’m not sure but I think it’s with a big lc that grows mats on the surface.
I want to say zap or pseudoaztec might be active also.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: MycoMykey]
#27217322 - 02/20/21 07:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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MycoMykey said: Yea i realize on a small scale it wouldn't be super practical but if you had a very large culture the lower yield would be off set by being able to have a final product in a couple weeks instead of a couple months. Plus the cost of growing it would be so much less because you wouldn't need to buy substrate or invest in fruiting chambers. If you had a large enough vat you could have a pretty substantial amount of myc.
Once you're up and running it doesn't take a couple months. I can get fruits start to finish in 2 to 3 weeks tops using grain to grain transfers (which is what I'm about to do because I fell behind. I have tubs fruiting now but will need replacements in a couple weeks so G2G it is. I may even go back to doing G2G full time, it's so fast.) I can put out 12 lbs dry per month in 2 wardrobes, you'll be lucky to put out 1/2 lb of mycelium in the same footprint with LC at a fraction of the potency. Sure it looks good on paper but in practical application it's why we do what we do the way we do it.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: MycoMykey]
#27301697 - 05/09/21 02:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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MycoMykey said: Do you happen to know which strains do have active mycelium by any chance?
Cubensis has active myc. Look up "soft agar" there are some threads about this with lots of info. You will see several TCs saying they have eaten cubensis myc and that it was definitely active.
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: blackout]
#27301748 - 05/09/21 03:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Aren’t zaps or aztecorum the ones people do myceliated rice with
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Re: Medicine made from Liquid Culture ONLY [Re: A.k.a]
#27309917 - 05/15/21 02:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Aren’t zaps or aztecorum the ones people do myceliated rice with
those were mentioned alright. There are some who believe cubensis myc is 100% inactive (or barely active) and was just clearing it up.
There is a thread about it here https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26303098/fpart/all/vc/1
Other myc may be more potent of course, I did wonder if PE would be a good choice, and if incubating for a long time would help.
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