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Inventing THE Most Calorie-Dense Food Known To Humans
    #27214408 - 02/19/21 08:35 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Over the last five mass extinction events on Earth we have lost a lot of lifeforms and biodiversity. We almost certainly have lost some (or many) calorie-dense foods that bodybuilders, athletes, and the fitness industry could benefit from. So here's a question: If you had to invent THE MOST calorie-rich food to build lean muscle mass (high as in 9000 calories in one meal), what technologies and raw materials would you recommend exploring? Also, if you do suggest meat-based raw materials, please also include Vegan and Vegetarian raw materials.


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Re: Inventing THE Most Calorie-Dense Food Known To Humans [Re: Study The CNS]
    #27214459 - 02/19/21 09:02 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Calorically, this seems simpler than you're making it out to be. Fats have 9 calories per gram. Protein and carbs have 4 calories per gram. One possible highest calorie meal for a body builder would be protein isolate suspended in oil. Maybe add a portion of dense carbs, like dense dry crackers.

Biologically and culinarily, it gets more interesting. For instance, I'm not sure we can drink a meal of oil without feeling ill. I know even a little bit of coconut oil on an empty stomach is hell on my digestive system. I'll let someone else try to answer this, now that I've given the most nutritionally basic obvious answer.


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Re: Inventing THE Most Calorie-Dense Food Known To Humans [Re: Study The CNS]
    #27214480 - 02/19/21 09:09 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

When I used to go to the gym I used peanut butter to reach my calorie intake goals. A whopping 580 kcal per 100 grams of peanut butter and it isn't filling at all and very easy to add to shakes to bump up the calorie value.

It's the "I can't gain weight" peoples' worst enemy :biggrin:.

There also are meal replacement bars which are very calorie dense, not sure what they are made of but you can check out the ingredients list. I know that fat is very calorie dense at 900 kcal per 100g, so anything very fatty should also be calorie dense.


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Re: Inventing THE Most Calorie-Dense Food Known To Humans [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27214493 - 02/19/21 09:18 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

As gone-pear-shapped pointed out, the most energy dense foods are oils/fats. But those will not help you build muscle. The most (not the only ones) important building blocks to make muscle are aminoacids (which come from digestion of proteins). They help repair the damage you do to your body when you exercise. Increasing the intake of these will not make you increase your muscle mass if you don't beat your ass in the gym. In fact, even if you work out like a beast but you intake more calories than you need, you will get fat, not lean muscle.

And I don't think we have lost many calorie dense foods. At the molecular level, the basic biochemistry of life has been conserved in most life forms. What we took advantage of was the life forms that require locomotion (muscle fibers that contain high levels of motor proteins such as myosin and actin), or storage of these nutrients in seeds, which are required for plants to grow during the period of time they are not able to do photosynthesis.

9000 calories in a day would require you to go well beyond what most Olympic athletes need in one day.


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Re: Inventing THE Most Calorie-Dense Food Known To Humans [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27214526 - 02/19/21 09:36 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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As gone-pear-shapped pointed out, the most energy dense foods are oils/fats. But those will not help you build muscle. The most (not the only ones) important building blocks to make muscle are aminoacids (which come from digestion of proteins). They help repair the damage you do to your body when you exercise. Increasing the intake of these will not make you increase your muscle mass if you don't beat your ass in the gym. In fact, even if you work out like a beast but you intake more calories than you need, you will get fat, not lean muscle.




This is true, you need both enough energy and enough building blocks (macro and micro nutrients) to build muscle. If you don't eat enough but have the proper amount of protein, your body will still refuse to build muscle and use protein for energy instead. People that consider themselves hard-gainers are just not eating enough energy to allow their body to use the proteins for building muscle, always track calories to be sure and you will gain muscle if you hit your protein and calorie goals.

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Biologically and culinarily, it gets more interesting. For instance, I'm not sure we can drink a meal of oil without feeling ill. I know even a little bit of coconut oil on an empty stomach is hell on my digestive system. I'll let someone else try to answer this, now that I've given the most nutritionally basic obvious answer.




I can eat very fatty meats but I'd refuse straight up oil or fat on its own.


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Re: Inventing THE Most Calorie-Dense Food Known To Humans [Re: WildFungalGrowth]
    #27214717 - 02/19/21 11:19 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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I can eat very fatty meats but I'd refuse straight up oil or fat on its own.



I've taste tested olive oils a couple times, and that involves slurping/drinking oil from a glass, but it was a pretty small quantity. I bet you could work up to it. :grin:


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Re: Inventing THE Most Calorie-Dense Food Known To Humans [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27215291 - 02/19/21 05:21 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Going to be 'That Guy':
Calories aren't really what muscle building or nutrition in general are about. Yes, calories (energy) are clearly physical properties of organic matter. But nutrition and muscle building are about *biological* processes not simple physics-based models of them.

But to answer your technology/engineering question about creating foods. Do something that copies the big animal foods:
-eggs
-cheese
-organ meat
-fatty skeletal meat


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Re: Inventing THE Most Calorie-Dense Food Known To Humans [Re: LeafRaker]
    #27247680 - 03/11/21 06:17 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

maybe a dough that involves a ton of fat and carbs so that you don't have to drink straight up oil + carbs have calories too!, maybe even adding sugar to it and deep-frying it so its more calorie-dense


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Re: Inventing THE Most Calorie-Dense Food Known To Humans [Re: Study The CNS]
    #27251614 - 03/13/21 05:16 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Emergency ration bars are probably the most nutrient and calorie dense you can get and most are shelf stable for many many years.  If you do want to make something yourself look up some pemmican recipes.


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Re: Inventing THE Most Calorie-Dense Food Known To Humans [Re: GabbaDj]
    #27251632 - 03/13/21 05:31 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

You don't want food to be too calorie dense, you want it to be nutrient dense.

(high as in 9000 calories in one meal)

Not realistic. Sumo wrestlers eat that much A DAY.

Show us pictures of you being more bulky than Ronnie Coleman because you only should use super overpowered stuff (like super high calorie/protein/high dose steroids) when you already got that huge body.

Try to cook parts of plants or animals, unprocessed chunks of things that actually lived.

If you have a chunk of things that lived, the nutrients will be present in a proportion that sustains life.

If you mix fat and protein you are missing out on the dozens of compounds that should go along with those nutrients, to make them healthier to digest and incorporate into your body.

Its much healthier pigging out on lamb chops than taking some protein shake, and much tastier too.


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Re: Inventing THE Most Calorie-Dense Food Known To Humans [Re: Asante]
    #27252288 - 03/14/21 09:46 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Calories are likely a red herring for understanding human metabolic health. The so-called energy balance theory of metabolism is an untested hypothesis. It assumes that eating food makes it an integral part of you and that you deal with food in very regular ways. Those are both horribly bad assumptions.

Plenty of caloric energy gets passed in your feces. Don't talk to me about measuring calories without measuring the caloric content of your feces.

The caloric density of food is a pretty simple, straight forward physical chemistry problem: how much energy can you get into a given quantity of matter? Obviously, fats have the highest caloric density per gram, nearly triple the caloric density of carbohydrates and protein. The short takeaway is that there are likely *not* explorations into areas of meaningful variance around caloric density. Even IF calories were as important as is commonly assumed, the problem of caloric density appears to be solved.

The real action is in improving our understanding of the biological processes of metabolism. Because biology is very, very complex, there's actually much more potential in improving outcomes by better understanding *how* the body reacts than there is in trying to create a food that goes well beyond the understood limits of fats, proteins, and carbohydrates.


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