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SHROOMSISAY01
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Elementary, my dear deadman!!
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: tedoro]
#28151115 - 01/21/23 08:44 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Question for this thread.
Apparently, radiant heat can travel through water... if this is true, could a heating element be placed too close to a plastic barrel floor? Meaning could a plastic surface, even though submerged in water, get hotter than 212f?
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: tedoro]
#28151167 - 01/21/23 09:16 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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The heating element gets a lot hotter than 212. It can't be touching the bottom or too close
Id recommend using a metal barrel. Even with a metal one you want a little space under the element so it can efficiently heat water on all sides of the element
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If you are worried about the metal drum rusting buy some 100% silicone and mix it with VM&P Naphtha and paint the drum. If you want more than one coat don't let the silicone dry before applying the second coat, because silicone will not stick to silicone!! For that reason you have to complete the task in one go b4 it dries.
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While I have your ear... anything I should look for in a metal drum. Open top of course... but are there different interior coatings for foodgrade and such? I feel like stainless is overkill unless its cheap.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: tedoro]
#28152500 - 01/22/23 04:53 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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I would make sure the lid fits ok, no huge dents or holes and as little rust as possible. I wouldn't call stainless overkill, it's ideal but expensive.
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Quote:
Stromrider said:
***UPDATE Barrel ended up cracking on the bottom after 2 months of twice a week use. I do not recommend using a plastic barrel
Lol yeah I was waiting for it. was worth a try though
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: tedoro]
#28266010 - 04/06/23 07:41 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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Question for you steamer operators:
I am using unicorn bags with .2 patches... and impulse sealing my bags of Birdseed. I'm surprised that my bottom shelf grain bags are somewhat more moist inside than higher bags. I have set the water level to be just at the grate, and it lowers from there.
That patch must suck water in that splashes up during the rolling boil. Yes?
kinda surprises me.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: tedoro]
#28266402 - 04/07/23 06:37 AM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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For one, if you're doing grain in a barrel steamer you're asking for trouble. Grain needs to run through an autoclave. You'll end up having a lot of trouble with bacteria. I've seen this play out a few times
Idk why your bottom bags are wetter. Perhaps theyre sucking in water on the cool down would be my guess. Either change the way you're putting them on that bottom shelf so they can't suck up water (flip the bag another way) or put a bunch of drain holes on there.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: Stromrider]
#28306168 - 05/04/23 10:01 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Hello frennnns,
This thread has been very helpful, thank you.
I'm making an improved streamer using what I've learned with my plastic prototype.
I need two 120v elements: a 1000 watt and a 1500 watt. (I have reasons)
Dernord does not sell a 1000 watt element. So doing the tri-clamp method seems to be a no go.
unless...... I was wondering if I could use their 2500w 220v element and run it on 120v, getting a 1250 watt element....
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DLVJQ3G/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_BNP3GR5TQ9CHZ9EGW27H_0?_encoding=UTF8&th=1
I can live with a 1250 watt.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: tedoro]
#28306184 - 05/04/23 10:11 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Oh god, a little googling reveals my halving of the wattage to be incorrect, its more like 25%, and not really a known, because of some resistance shit that goes on. dang. One of those other 220v elements might be right, but hard to tell.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: tedoro]
#28307092 - 05/04/23 11:41 PM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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I am so confused!!
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220v elements can be run on 120v, lowering the wattage. But apparently, its hard to calculate.
I moved on from the tri-clamp, too few wattage options.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: tedoro]
#28307231 - 05/05/23 04:57 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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tedoro said: Hello frennnns,
This thread has been very helpful, thank you.
I'm making an improved streamer using what I've learned with my plastic prototype.
I need two 120v elements: a 1000 watt and a 1500 watt. (I have reasons)
Dernord does not sell a 1000 watt element. So doing the tri-clamp method seems to be a no go.
unless...... I was wondering if I could use their 2500w 220v element and run it on 120v, getting a 1250 watt element....
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DLVJQ3G/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_BNP3GR5TQ9CHZ9EGW27H_0?_encoding=UTF8&th=1
I can live with a 1250 watt.
If you are using a HDPE plastic barrel, you don't need a clamp. Just screw the element into the side and silicone both sides with plenty thick of it. Let dry for a day.. good to go.
I have replaced the element on mine a few times over the years because of low water and burning it out. Screw and unscrew the element silicone.. done...
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: tedoro]
#28307783 - 05/05/23 12:47 PM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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tedoro said: 220v elements can be run on 120v, lowering the wattage. But apparently, its hard to calculate.
I moved on from the tri-clamp, too few wattage options.
I build steamers. I know that you can run 240v on 120 I build kits with PID controllers but you loose 75% of the wattage when you hook up 240v to 120.
What I am confused about is why you would want to do this and what you are trying to do.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: seagu]
#28307788 - 05/05/23 12:51 PM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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Quote:
seagu said:
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tedoro said: Hello frennnns,
This thread has been very helpful, thank you.
I'm making an improved streamer using what I've learned with my plastic prototype.
I need two 120v elements: a 1000 watt and a 1500 watt. (I have reasons)
Dernord does not sell a 1000 watt element. So doing the tri-clamp method seems to be a no go.
unless...... I was wondering if I could use their 2500w 220v element and run it on 120v, getting a 1250 watt element....
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DLVJQ3G/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_BNP3GR5TQ9CHZ9EGW27H_0?_encoding=UTF8&th=1
I can live with a 1250 watt.
If you are using a HDPE plastic barrel, you don't need a clamp. Just screw the element into the side and silicone both sides with plenty thick of it. Let dry for a day.. good to go.
I have replaced the element on mine a few times over the years because of low water and burning it out. Screw and unscrew the element silicone.. done...
Put a low water cut-off on your steamer if you are using a PID it is cheap and simple. PM me I will give you a diagram to hook it up easily for less than $20 probably more like $10 can't remember anyway it is cheap. If you are not using a PID it will cost a little more but better than replacing elements.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: junior c]
#28307814 - 05/05/23 01:07 PM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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junior c said: Thanks for the update. Was rooting for this build. Too bad. Sorry about the crack. seemed like a nice alternative. Wonder if the drum would hold up better if the steam was fed in from an external boiler vs. built in element.
It wouldn't matter the water only can reach 212F and the steam can only reach 212F. What it would help with is you would not get a water leak in your steamer but if it is going to crack it will still crack.
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SHROOMSISAY01 said:
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seagu said:
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tedoro said: Hello frennnns,
This thread has been very helpful, thank you.
I'm making an improved streamer using what I've learned with my plastic prototype.
I need two 120v elements: a 1000 watt and a 1500 watt. (I have reasons)
Dernord does not sell a 1000 watt element. So doing the tri-clamp method seems to be a no go.
unless...... I was wondering if I could use their 2500w 220v element and run it on 120v, getting a 1250 watt element....
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DLVJQ3G/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_BNP3GR5TQ9CHZ9EGW27H_0?_encoding=UTF8&th=1
I can live with a 1250 watt.
If you are using a HDPE plastic barrel, you don't need a clamp. Just screw the element into the side and silicone both sides with plenty thick of it. Let dry for a day.. good to go.
I have replaced the element on mine a few times over the years because of low water and burning it out. Screw and unscrew the element silicone.. done...
Put a low water cut-off on your steamer if you are using a PID it is cheap and simple. PM me I will give you a diagram to hook it up easily for less than $20 probably more like $10 can't remember anyway it is cheap. If you are not using a PID it will cost a little more but better than replacing elements.
naw.. I have it fine tuned now. I only use 5-6 gallons per cycle and replace with a bucket from the hose.
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