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seagu

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deadmandave said: I was thinking about you and your white battery wondering if that does make a difference. How much weight do you usually put in yours seagu? Mine failed when I bumped it up 30 lbs to 200lbs.
Well as you see Shrooms looked it up and it does make the difference. I put full weight in them. Though as I said before I don't run it with the auto fill setup. So I lose 1 layer of bags. But I have 4 bricks below my false bottom to give space for enough water for a full cycle. I wonder if I could take out 2 bricks and just submerge 1 layer of bags in water like is done in PCs and gain that layer of bags back... hrmm.. anywho yea it will run close to 200 lbs with no problems. But like we discovered thanks to Shrooms looking it up.. it is that the white barrel is much stronger like I was thinking when I saw you all were using different colored and design looking barrels than me.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: seagu]
#28044248 - 11/10/22 06:51 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I found that out today myself. So they do sound like they are stronger. How that translates into them being used as a steam drum I have no idea. You say you have had the white drums for 10 years but you don't say how long you have used them as a steam drum. If you haven't figured it out by now? You are the genie pig in this experiment.
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seagu

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6 years as a steamer.. but before that the only difference was that I would fill them up all the way with water and jam them full until the temp was around 170-180 ish. So not much difference in temp, weight and usage. There was still steam going strong and going all over the place... Although nowadays I have less of the steam steam shooting out because of how I have the cover. So I use less water during a cycle.
I am the genie pig? so does that mean I get my lamp rubbed?
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: seagu]
#28044646 - 11/11/22 12:03 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I guess I should read the word that it is wanting to replace b4 I accept the replacement word. I meant guinea pig. Spelling was never a good subject for me and I guess it shows!! Grammarly strikes again. If the white drums hold up that well it sure would be better than painting a metal drum with silicone.
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seagu

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yea but if you used spell check right then we wouldn't have some humor to break of the day.
And yes that is what I been saying these plastic drums are way easier... Though Now we know it is the white plastic drums and not the blue or black drums. I never tried those.
Though something else occurred to me. I use solid bricks on the bottom. So there is a nice big and thick surface area that everything is resting on. Not sure what everyone else has used for support for the false bottoms. I know I have seen some people use thin things or pole legs... something to think about as well for the blue or black barrels that may have played a factor also?
Although I would use white anyways since it is a High Density HDPE and much stronger
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Edited by seagu (11/11/22 07:09 AM)
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Stromrider
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: seagu]
#28044981 - 11/11/22 08:51 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I would probably try a white plastic barrel but I found a guy here in town selling really nice pharmaceutical grade stainless barrels for cheap. Nicest stainless barrels I've ever seen for $150 a piece. Just got lucky
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seagu

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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: Stromrider]
#28045093 - 11/11/22 10:04 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Jimminy Crickets that is cheap for stainless. by $650-850+ cheaper. Though I can't say that I would go stainless even for that cheap. Maybe there is a reason that I am just not seeing thinking off the cuff. Maybe better for 240V setups?.. but I haven't tried that yet in the White barrels, so not sure.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: seagu]
#28045157 - 11/11/22 10:57 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah wish I had read all this before scrambling to get a steel barrel oh well next hdpe barrel I see ill snag.
The one place around here with stainless barrels is charging 6-800 depending on lid style, $150 is a steal.
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SHROOMSISAY01
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: Stromrider]
#28045225 - 11/11/22 11:41 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: I would probably try a white plastic barrel but I found a guy here in town selling really nice pharmaceutical grade stainless barrels for cheap. Nicest stainless barrels I've ever seen for $150 a piece. Just got lucky
Where is he located? If not too far I buy all he is willing to get let go of.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: seagu]
#28045232 - 11/11/22 11:46 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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seagu said: Jimminy Crickets that is cheap for stainless. by $650-850+ cheaper. Though I can't say that I would go stainless even for that cheap. Maybe there is a reason that I am just not seeing thinking off the cuff. Maybe better for 240V setups?.. but I haven't tried that yet in the White barrels, so not sure.
240 or 120 shouldn't make a difference you are still only reaching 212F it just takes longer with 110. I checked this three times to make sure everything was spelled correctly. I don't want another incident like the last time.
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Stromrider said: I would probably try a white plastic barrel but I found a guy here in town selling really nice pharmaceutical grade stainless barrels for cheap. Nicest stainless barrels I've ever seen for $150 a piece. Just got lucky
Where is he located? If not too far I buy all he is willing to get let go of.
Hes just outside Hickory NC. Probably had 20 of them but that was well over a year ago. I have his number if you want it.
They weren't regular stainless barrels either. They were quite a bit thicker and really high grade stainless. I forget what was stamped on them but it was some ingredient for a heart medicine
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seagu

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SHROOMSISAY01 said:
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seagu said: Jimminy Crickets that is cheap for stainless. by $650-850+ cheaper. Though I can't say that I would go stainless even for that cheap. Maybe there is a reason that I am just not seeing thinking off the cuff. Maybe better for 240V setups?.. but I haven't tried that yet in the White barrels, so not sure.
240 or 120 shouldn't make a difference you are still only reaching 212F it just takes longer with 110. I checked this three times to make sure everything was spelled correctly. I don't want another incident like the last time.
Yes I am aware.. I just said that because maybe it would potentially something, to cross my i's and dot my t's.
The water itself keeps everything from going too hot. I just wasn't sure if maybe for some reason because it heats it up so quick that somehow someway something gets hotter nearer to the element. And maybe if someone put the element too close to the bottom or something.. I dunno... something.. All I know is I haven't tried the 240 in it..
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: seagu]
#28046063 - 11/11/22 08:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I would appreciate his # Stromrider if you would PM it to me that would be great!!
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Back in action
Old lid is the new false bottom
What's a bathroom without a drum sterilizer?
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deadmandave said:
What's a bathroom without a drum sterilizer?

My thoughts exactly!!
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That Sylvania timer sucks. It won't be long until you can't read the display. I went through 4 of them until I finally figured out the display was junk on them. I found better timers if that one gets to be too much let me know. I used the Sylvania because it was 20 amps but if you wire it right you don't need the 20 amps.
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I love this thread. I'm messing with a blue drum as a sterilizer, not pasteurizer. Have had 3 successful runs (good fruiting yields)
Some thoughts:
1) Read somewhere that a dude would always use a metal barrel for the ability to ground it. That seems valid.
2) For sterilizing, RR said it's important to keep the steam moving a lot, that makes sense, keeping the steam windy and close to the bag surface. So lots of water use.
3) I use Wyze wifi plugs... 15 amp and very nice timers on an app.
4) I use 1000w and a 1500w elements so I can have a high, medium, low setting. (and split the electricity between two breakers)
5) There is a growing concern with un-fixable toxins created by fermentation, so any attempt to lessen the time the grains are 'warm', the better. My grain bags are pre-heated and set into a pre-heated barrel to race them to 210f.
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Re: Plastic barrel steamer [Re: tedoro]
#28074085 - 11/29/22 06:50 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Steamed grains are a loss imo. They tend to be a bit bacterial.
You can ground your element on a plastic barrel using a hotpod.
Get a white barrel or metal before the blue one breaks.
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cooleko
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I always wonder about this because I love my sous vide. People can say all they want that my meat doesn't hit 165 and is unsafe, but I know that even my 129s are safe after an hour.
How can steaming be any different? If they are held at temperature long enough it should be sterile.
However, this is an unresearched opinion so I'm just speculating about things I don't actually understand.
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deadmandave said:
You can ground your element on a plastic barrel using a hotpod.
Question regarding these hot pods. Is there enough room on the treads to fit it on? My elements barely have enough treading to get a nut on. Are elements sold with more threading?
Are there certain models of hotpods for standard hot water elements?
Seems like they are a great answer.
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