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A DIY covid vaccine
    #27202682 - 02/12/21 09:37 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not doing it or suggesting it, but it exists and people have taken it.

https://radvac.org/protocols-for-making-and-taking-the-vaccine/

One person's experience.


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Re: A DIY covid vaccine [Re: fraufranfroufrou]
    #27202827 - 02/13/21 12:16 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: A DIY covid vaccine [Re: gone-pear-shaped]
    #27205518 - 02/14/21 01:00 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

This is ridiculous. Deactivate the virus you never add to the vaccine? Where does the live covid-19 virus come from in this preparation? When is it added? Peptides don't contain covid-19. You can order peptides that coronavirus makes big deal. They also wouldn't need to be inactivated...


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Re: A DIY covid vaccine [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27205882 - 02/14/21 04:31 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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This is ridiculous. Deactivate the virus you never add to the vaccine? Where does the live covid-19 virus come from in this preparation? When is it added? Peptides don't contain covid-19. You can order peptides that coronavirus makes big deal. They also wouldn't need to be inactivated...




“Given that the vaccine is being used in pandemic conditions, to ensure that the vaccine is free of infectious virus contaminants during administration, solutions should be sterilized prior to mixing.”

Seems like a reasonable precaution to take..


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Re: A DIY covid vaccine [Re: fraufranfroufrou]
    #27206488 - 02/14/21 11:03 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

For what it's worth, my friend in the field says the peptides are likely not a good enough match for the virus proteins due to the proteins having a specific conformation and glycosylation--these are extensive but minor molecular modifications. Plus triggering the immune system in artificial was can result in the body's cells becoming more vulnerable to infection, not less (even if an immune response can be observed).

I haven't read the full white paper yet. Even if I do, I'm not qualified to assess whether these factors have been addressed. I'm not sure anyone can tell without the right tests, and a small organization probably can't do those tests.


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Re: A DIY covid vaccine [Re: Icyurmt]
    #27206752 - 02/15/21 04:28 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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This is ridiculous. Deactivate the virus you never add to the vaccine? Where does the live covid-19 virus come from in this preparation? When is it added? Peptides don't contain covid-19. You can order peptides that coronavirus makes big deal. They also wouldn't need to be inactivated...




“Given that the vaccine is being used in pandemic conditions, to ensure that the vaccine is free of infectious virus contaminants during administration, solutions should be sterilized prior to mixing.”

Seems like a reasonable precaution to take..



You forgot to bold the two words before contaminants. If they just said contaminants in general I would have felt a little better about the articles competency


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Re: A DIY covid vaccine [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27207361 - 02/15/21 12:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
This is ridiculous. Deactivate the virus you never add to the vaccine? Where does the live covid-19 virus come from in this preparation? When is it added? Peptides don't contain covid-19. You can order peptides that coronavirus makes big deal. They also wouldn't need to be inactivated...




“Given that the vaccine is being used in pandemic conditions, to ensure that the vaccine is free of infectious virus contaminants during administration, solutions should be sterilized prior to mixing.”

Seems like a reasonable precaution to take..



You forgot to bold the two words before contaminants. If they just said contaminants in general I would have felt a little better about the articles competency




No I didn’t forget to highlight “ infectious virus”, I only highlighted “contaminants” because that was the keyword that literally answered all of your questions you had previously asked.. It seemed to me that perhaps you missed it and we’re under the inpression that they were suggesting to sterilize because the peptides=covid or something else erroneous along those lines.  Now you’re saying you don’t trust their competency because they called out the specific type of contaminant that they are concerned about?  Can’t help you with that one, it sounds like they are being prudent there; just thought you accidentally skipped over something when reading.  Out of it all though I would’ve thought that part would be the least controversial aspect of this project.. :shrug:


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Re: A DIY covid vaccine [Re: Icyurmt]
    #27207818 - 02/15/21 04:26 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Infectious virus contaminants is what they're saying will be removed by heat treatment. Not contaminants in general. And that heat treating procedure would not kill most contaminants anyway.
It doesn't say to ensure the vaccine is free from infectious viruses and any other contaminants.


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Re: A DIY covid vaccine [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27209343 - 02/16/21 12:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Infectious virus contaminants is what they're saying will be removed by heat treatment. Not contaminants in general. And that heat treating procedure would not kill most contaminants anyway.
It doesn't say to ensure the vaccine is free from infectious viruses and any other contaminants.




Still seems to be some confusion here so let’s start back from the beginning. This is what I was trying to say when I said “contaminant” was the keyword to answering your original questions.

Q: deactivate the virus you never added to the vaccine?
A: never added intentionally but “given the vaccine is being used in pandemic conditions” has a likelihood of being accidentally contaminated with an active virus by anyone involved with the manufacturing who may be infected and unknowingly shedding viral particles.

Q: Where does the live COVID-19 virus come from in this preparation?
A: it could possibly be an unintentional contaminant introduced by someone who is either infectious or asymptomatic carrier when they are making the vaccine or its parts.

Q: When is it added?
A: The ingredients could be unintentionally contaminated at any point if they are handled by someone who is infected with COVID-19 and shedding viral particles

You are absolutely correct, it doesn’t say that they are concerned with eliminating all contaminants, because they aren’t; only active viral contaminants pose a potential risk here. That’s why they didn’t say contaminants in general and why the heat treat procedure is designed to kill viruses specifically and not any and all potential contams. Its an intranasal vaccine not injectable, it doesn’t need to be free of all contaminants (the air isn’t either) however they are specifically calling out and targeting one (active viruses) which in their view, given the circumstances (huge global pandemic), could pose a real risk and therefore should be addressed and they outlining a way in which that can easily be done.

This is a vaccine designed to be produced in someone’s kitchen rather than a traditional clean room and is being made during a time when there are hundreds of thousands of new cases every day, a lot of which are asymptomatic. They make it clear that it’s important to be sure that if you are mixing up 500+ doses of a vaccine under the current circumstances that you are not unintentionally infecting anyone if you or someone else involved in the manufacturing process happened to be contagious and accidentally contaminated things with active viral particles.


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Re: A DIY covid vaccine [Re: Icyurmt]
    #27209465 - 02/16/21 01:37 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

The assumption that because the virus is a pandemic now that it will enter your preparation during its creation is ridiculous.
Also if it's suspectable to covid contamination because of bad techniques and practices in preparation other contaminants would also be introduced. the air and people don't only cary one contaminant species on them at a time. And you wouldn't want to inject any pathogens that could have contaminated it.


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Re: A DIY covid vaccine [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27209578 - 02/16/21 02:49 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

“The assumption that because the virus is a pandemic now they will enter your preparation during its creation is ridiculous.”

Its not an assumption it’s a precaution and given how many new people are finding out that they have the virus every day (I.e. have had it for sometime already without knowing and could’ve shead it on anything they came in contact with) it’s a pretty logical one as well.

“Also if it's suspectable to covid contamination because of bad techniques and practices in preparation other contaminants would also be introduced. the air and people don't only cary one contaminant species on them at a time. And you wouldn't want to inject any pathogens that could have contaminated it.”

That is correct however as I already said above “Its an intranasal vaccine not injectable, it doesn’t need to be free of all contaminants (the air isn’t either and you regularly breathe that) however they are specifically calling out and targeting one (active viruses) which in their view, given the circumstances (huge global pandemic), could pose a real risk and therefore should be addressed and they outlining a way in which that can easily be done.”

I feel like you’re either skim reading and missing a lot, triggered/having an emotional reaction to this and not trying to understand or you’re trolling me because this part is pretty standard and basic stuff and if this throws you for a loop I don’t know how you’re going to manage to understand the white paper, so really what’s the point? Either way I tried to clear up what I initially thought was a simple confusion, I have no need to convince anyone of anything so I’m done now.. :whiteflag:  :hi:


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Re: A DIY covid vaccine [Re: Icyurmt]
    #27209605 - 02/16/21 03:06 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I did read it and for whatever reason assumed it was injection this morning forgetting it was the spray

I still think this whole homemade vaccine protocol is at best horseshit though.


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