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Organizing the Internet (or at least the useful parts)
    #27187103 - 02/04/21 09:16 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I don't personally see a problem with copying and pasting information from other websites to a "main hub" website/platform as long as you simply cite the source (and I don't think you should even have to type up more than simply the URL) as long as that site isn't making any money.  You are simply providing a free educational resource and not taking any credit for it.

With that being said projects like Wikipedia are always having issues with people/organizations trying to hide or spin some information for their personal gain...but it is still a great site...but it takes an immense amount of time for it to be built out...

...part of that is the fact that no one can make money off of it and the other part is the fact that you can't literally copy/pasta info and I'm not saying that's always the best thing to do but if you are going to be using a source then you already trust that source and trust the info they provided.  I know there is a lot more work than that which goes into creating a singular article as the article has to be spliced together...

...but copying and pasting larger pieces of text to a new site can often times be much more effective to convey that info to someone than simply giving a link.  I understand that if you wanted to make a site/platform with a ton of information on it and someone navigated to your page on (for example) "cannabis" and it was just a bunch of random paragraphs you copied and pasted from other websites that it wouldn't necessarily be well written and organized at all.

But, for example, if you simply had a main "cannabis" page and from there they could see the different topics to take them to new pages (such as "cannabis medicine", "cannabis growing", "cannabis legality", and "other cannabis products")...or something like that and from each of those pages there would be more links so they could narrow down OR back out to a previous page  as well as navigate the site in other ways....

...eventually they could get to very specific information on a specific topic that way and be able to practically use the information.

...seems like you wouldn't end up with an amazingly uniform site and perhaps the site would get too messed up if you made it a full on wiki with full access at first...but still feels like we could have a GIANT site filled out with information and no longer have to worry about whether or not we would have to spend some considerable time finding good websites for the information we were currently seeking or never being able to find the information.....

...there are so many amazing websites with information on the internet and it's a shame that they aren't able to all be linked together by anything more than a search engine which is not always going to help you find them very well. 

Search engines are great and all...but it seems like everything I try these days just doesn't bring me to any of the very best sites...the information is just too vast and I don't know exactly how to get to all the information I need with just a search engine unless I spend a lot of time.  It seems like the older I get and the more cluttered and junky the internet and the search engines get the harder and harder it is to find really wholesome informational websites...

...it just seems like the whole internet could be cleaned up this way...seems like it would greatly benefit mankind.  I understand it's a huge undertaking and you would never be truly done...but if you had a good amount of people on the job you could get somewhere...

...problem is there is no money in it and it seems like you just couldn't get around all the copyright law just cutting and pasting heavily like that...

...but maybe some day we will really clean it up....

...the internet is like a quadrillion books with notes posted throughout them and I think one day it could be one great book of all the knowledge, well organized, signed mankind.


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Re: Organizing the Internet (or at least the useful parts) [Re: Nymphaea]
    #27187109 - 02/04/21 09:26 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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...there are so many amazing websites with information on the internet and it's a shame that they aren't able to all be linked together by anything more than a search engine which is not always going to help you find them very well. 




I used to love webrings, shame they're all but extinct.


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Re: Organizing the Internet (or at least the useful parts) [Re: stubb]
    #27187110 - 02/04/21 09:29 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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...there are so many amazing websites with information on the internet and it's a shame that they aren't able to all be linked together by anything more than a search engine which is not always going to help you find them very well. 




I used to love webrings, shame they're all but extinct.




Yea, that kind of stuff is smart...the 2000's (and 90's) had some great ideas for the internet...we need that freaking stuff!


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    #27203251 - 02/13/21 08:44 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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It seems like the older I get and the more cluttered and junky the internet and the search engines get the harder and harder it is to find really wholesome informational websites...




It isn't just you. Search results have been getting worse and are going to get even worse. I think the reason behind this is that the search results you get from Google are tailored to you and they no longer give unfiltered results. They only allow you to see what they think is appropriate for you to see. So the more you search the more they know about you and place you into a bubble and finding information outside of that bubble gets exponentially harder.

They also are no longer a simple search engine that gives you just search results. They want to shape your thoughts while presenting you with search results that they think are appropriate. Leaked documents and videos from Google also indicate that this is what they are doing or at least trying.

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...problem is there is no money in it and it seems like you just couldn't get around all the copyright law just cutting and pasting heavily like that...





This is the main reason why there aren't sites like this and why search engines get away with just linking. Many consider copy and pasting from other sites stealing because you are, in their minds anyway, stealing traffic from their site which they use to make ad money.

I'll add to your points that copy and pasting content also adds redundancy, which means that if the original site owner stops hosting his informative site, then the information will not be lost as it would be otherwise.

Having a site like this + something like IPFS would make the information safe from link rot and would provide a lot of value. There are ways to circumvent copyright law by not giving a fuck and hosting it in anonymizing networks, but that isn't user friendly which would beat the point of running it if it is to provide lots of value to people around the world.


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Re: Organizing the Internet (or at least the useful parts) [Re: Nymphaea]
    #27204409 - 02/13/21 07:16 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

The internet needs less content in order to become better organized.

I think the internet hurts our freedom more than it helps it by making us less sensual and more disconnected.


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