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Re: Oumuamua (Logical Chaos) [Re: Svetaketu]
#27199811 - 02/11/21 05:27 PM (3 years, 4 days ago) |
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Your logic is flawed. Zeus and ghosts never held us back from anything for more than a microsecond in the 24 hr clock. Never harmed a fly in history.
I challenged you to measure the catastrophic effect of alien stories on humanity so I can realize the detrimental effect.
Now if those beliefs of ghosts or Zeus or Aliens led to mass genocide and suppression of human beings growth and prosperity that'd be something to consider.
Where or what in technology and science is being suppressed by something like Avi Loebs side hobby project? You'll be able to identify: NOTHING, especially since the object is gone forever now. We just really hope that another one like it comes.
I've yet to see a problem with offering up the idea of aliens. Nobody ever died because of alien stories. Nobody lost money, or their family because of all the alien stories. No. Money was MADE, friends were made, jobs were made, families were made, movies, joy, economy.
I can say that IN FUCKING FACT Avi Loebs story has had a positive stimulating effect on the economy. But you think there's detriment to humanity as a result, but I dont see that, I think that detriment is fake and all in your head
I can name too many things that are going on right now and being perpetuated and pushed on us that are and always will be 100,000,000 times worse for humanity than aliens stories, or Avi Loebs idea.
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Re: Oumuamua (Logical Chaos) [Re: trees]
#27199835 - 02/11/21 05:35 PM (3 years, 4 days ago) |
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It was pretty catastrophic for the heavens gaters
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Re: Oumuamua (Logical Chaos) [Re: koods]
#27199840 - 02/11/21 05:37 PM (3 years, 4 days ago) |
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Cults are easily identified and a seperate issue from alien stories.
We have cults based on every single belief you could think of so: irrelevant koods.
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Re: Oumuamua (Logical Chaos) [Re: trees]
#27199850 - 02/11/21 05:40 PM (3 years, 4 days ago) |
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Maybe I just haven't been paying attention enough, but I can't say I've ever seen you post so many words before, trees. It's refreshing.
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Re: Oumuamua (Logical Chaos) [Re: Cracked Egg] 1
#27199981 - 02/11/21 06:31 PM (3 years, 4 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: I was going to say something funny but then it made me think..
Ya’ll ever see the video of the guy who says he can summon ufos, and the news caught wind of it? They went out with him like ok dude and no shit a silver thing showed up on the horizon. I thought that was funny.
Link?
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Re: Oumuamua (Logical Chaos) [Re: trees]
#27200644 - 02/11/21 11:15 PM (3 years, 4 days ago) |
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You don't seem to be grasping my response.
I never said Zeus or ghosts held us back. I used them to show examples of flawed logic.
I repeated multiple times, I have no problem with alien stories. I'm just pointing out flawed logic.
If you don't value logic, we really have nothing else to talk about
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Re: Oumuamua (Logical Chaos) [Re: Svetaketu]
#27201625 - 02/12/21 01:04 PM (3 years, 3 days ago) |
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It would be logical and safe to bet that if Avi, a Harvard head of astronomy is using flawed logic, flawed laws of physics when talking about omuamua movement, that it has an extra push, why it's such and such different from typical objects.... You'd assume that by now he would have been smeared all over the floor by all the other scientists. Hasn't happened. This guy isnt threatening anyone so why wouldn't anyone say something, some have tried.
Someone credible would have stepped up a long time ago and outlined in detail for us how Avi is an idiot fraud with zero grasp on physics, even though hes been a tenured physics professor in multiple countries and universities.
Now here we have some drug forum armchair bros saying they're are better physicists than a tenured physics and astronomy director of many decades, on top of that, these shroom heads think they're better than all of the scientists around Avi who have yet to come up with a good argument. That's fucking HILARIOUS!!
I dont buy your "I understand things and physics and logic very well" logic, you're packed to the brim full of shit delusional, like Koods is
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Re: Oumuamua (Logical Chaos) [Re: trees]
#27201760 - 02/12/21 02:02 PM (3 years, 3 days ago) |
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Here's another logical point I cant help but to add
Frauds are at bigger risk than ever before nowadays. It is becoming so easy to detect frauds because of today's internet conditions, they're being torn down on daily basis. And there's big money and incentive in destroying frauds, it's hot.
Avi, would have succumbed to the hot fraud detection age long ago. There are plenty of scientists in the world who would benefit from disproving Avi's theory. It would have been properly disproved by now, according to your explanations, it's been years without any of that.
Yours and koodss' assertion of his flawed use of physics would have been screamed by scientists many times over again until Avi's theory was dead, a long time ago, which logically speaking, that indicates to me that your physics knowledge and assertions are flawed, false, because we would have heard about it before you said it yourself, and the fact that you push it so hard without any evidence or backing or willingness to step up the plate, kinda means that YOU are looking like the true frauds within this thread.
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Re: Oumuamua (Logical Chaos) [Re: trees]
#27201803 - 02/12/21 02:23 PM (3 years, 3 days ago) |
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Again, I not once addressed anything Avi (we’re on a first name basis I see) said.
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Re: Oumuamua (Logical Chaos) [Re: trees]
#27203302 - 02/13/21 09:30 AM (3 years, 2 days ago) |
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How is it possible that I've repeated the same SINGLE point through like 8 posts, and somehow you've missed it completely 
I'm not saying he's a bad scientist. I'm saying his logic on this single claim is mistaken; I don't have to know more about physics or space than he does, I can look at the structure of his argument and see that it contains a logical fallacy.
Regardless, your point falls on it's face. You forgot about this earlier in the thread;
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The paper has been a smash hit with journalists but has fallen flat with MOST of Loeb’s astrobiology-focused peers, who insist that, while strange, ‘Oumuamua’s properties still place it well within the realm of natural phenomena. To claim otherwise, Loeb’s critics say, is cavalier at best and destructive at worst for the long struggle to remove the stigma of credulous UFO and alien-abduction reports from what should unquestionably be a legitimate field of scientific inquiry.
We've been over this shit already. The majority of scientist DO think his argument is fallacious.
But a scientist saying "it wasn't aliens" doesn't get media attention. A scientist claiming that it was aliens gets A LOT of media attention, as we've clearly seen.
Look, I've only made one point. That point, is that a lack of evidence cannot lead you to a conclusion. If you disagree with that, lay out your argument. Give me an example of when this would be justified. Do some research, this is a variation on an argument from ignorance.
But I'm done arguing with the random shit you pull out your ass. You're shifting the conversation and grasping at random shit that has nothing to do with my point.
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