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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: pineninja] 2
#26900922 - 08/26/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like vasoconstriction. Try to limit sugar in your diet for a few days ahead of time
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: tryptkaloids] 2
#26901154 - 08/26/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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its potency. I took 4-5 hrs to go 2.5 blocks. Broad daylight, talk about embarrassing. I was at the point where it didn't matter my perceived condition by passer by's, i could not make my limbs move. Even when after hours of crawling/sprawling on sidewalk i got to my apartment but couldn't make my arms/brains/fingers get my keys out and operate the lock. many many times have had the situation arise where i was crippled for real but never under 3.5 grams dry. Fresh it could hit anytime because that stuff is potent and its hard to gauge the amount ingested.
Ive been eating cyan/azzie for longer than i can remember(20+yrs), often times over doing it. From real life experience any time i do to much(3.5gr) it very likely will kick in. unless it is a particularly weak flush.
Just my opinion based on experiences.
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Why would you drive shortly after experiencing paralysis?
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House keys. I couldn't drive tripping let alone w/paralysis.
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Coincidence I was in the area.

At the time where the graffiti on the left is, there was a construction trailer for their construction debris. I remember pulling myself into the trailer and staying there until I thought I could muster the strength to get across the street my entrance to my building. If you look in the background it took A lot of time and a lot of effort to get to that green awning which was the entrance to my building. It went out of the trailer,rest, get over to the side sidewalk, rest. get out to the middle of the road where the parking meters are,rest. get across the next stretch to the sidewalk in front of my building, rest. try to get in the building, rest, try to get up the stairs, rest. try to get down the hall, rest. try to get my apartment door open, rest. try to climb in the bed, rest. it was crazy.
Pardon my punctuation/Grammar what have you.
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Quote:
NothingsChanged said: Coincidence I was in the area.

At the time where the graffiti on the left is, there was a construction trailer for their construction debris. I remember pulling myself into the trailer and staying there until I thought I could muster the strength to get across the street my entrance to my building. If you look in the background it took A lot of time and a lot of effort to get to that green awning which was the entrance to my building. It went out of the trailer,rest, get over to the side sidewalk, rest. get out to the middle of the road where the parking meters are,rest. get across the next stretch to the sidewalk in front of my building, rest. try to get in the building, rest, try to get up the stairs, rest. try to get down the hall, rest. try to get my apartment door open, rest. try to climb in the bed, rest. it was crazy.
Pardon my punctuation/Grammar what have you.
I can completely relate to your experience. The worst part of such an experience is knowing a helping stranger may cross your path. It is going to be difficult explaining your situation....
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 1
#26909817 - 08/31/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just be upfront. Most people know the war on drugs is a scam
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#26909993 - 08/31/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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it was (In this case) daytime, many people about. Not one person offered help or even check my condition. Shame the direction humanity has turned.
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Its not like that in rural America.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#26924237 - 09/08/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it mostly has to do with environmental factors like petrochemicals and heavy metals in substrate. A lot of wood debris is used industrially to absorb chemicals and such and then is often dumped in municipal waste sites. That debris is then sold/spread in gardens and parks all over town or sold to other people/places. Trees are really good at pulling things like mercury, arsenic, cobaldt, cadmium, copper, lead, as well as pesticides, herbicides and fertilizer out of soils and trapping it up in their tissues. Toxins could come from many places. People drench landscapes with glyphosate and I doubt that is good to consume in a possibly rearranged form and concentrated. Fungi are master re-arrangers of molecules. One of their main functions as part of the ecosystem is to re-appropriate toxins.
The only times I've seen this happen to anyone, the fruits were collected from less than ideal places like public parks where waste water is used for irrigation and herbicides/pesticides are regularly applied or parking lot islands or industrial sites.
Unless you made the wood chips yourself you have no idea if it is clean or not. Many species of plants and trees also produce toxins that are harmful to humans such as rhododendron or eucalyptus or black walnut. Public mulch is often comprised of lots of questionable material.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 1
#27022542 - 11/05/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn. Hands down to you! All for science! Like let's do some mushrooms and see if it paralyses me and if it does, why? Awesome! This paralysing thing is why I'll stuck with cubes.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 1
#27180777 - 02/01/21 11:04 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mushrooms effect smoothe muscle contration. This is how myelin is opened in the brain for nuroplactisity.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: Omnipositive] 1
#27180971 - 02/01/21 12:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was unable to trip after doses of 1.5, 2.5 and 3.5 gms dried cyanescens--each attempt one month apart. The 4th month I said to myself... "F*** it, let's try 5 gms."
The first 2-3 hrs I finally made it to the "other realm"... it was GREAT, then my "clumsiness" turned into WLP. I began to eat and suddenly my mouth wouldnt move and as another post noted, the food fell out of my mouth. Then the legs gave out. Trip was over. I took Benadryl 25 mg (should've taken 50, in retrospect)and went to sleep. 24 hrs post ingestion I still had symptoms. Took 2-3 days to feel right.
I was very grateful my source had educated me about this possibility, as it would've been terrifying not to have this info.
At this point, I'm not sure if I'll do this type again. I live in Florida and am going to go try and hunt my own cubensis and hope I don't get "dung lovers paralysis" from them!
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: bettyboop] 1
#27186705 - 02/04/21 04:37 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Public parks are often the cities disposal system for "sanitized" waste water systems. They are also often laden with pesticides and herbicides.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: Nichrome] 6
#27187288 - 02/05/21 12:59 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I recently had this after taking 5 grams of alleini. It was confusing and a bit dramatic because I felt like I was going to pee and poop on myself. I felt like I had morfed into a severely disabled, non verbal paraplegic person and could only grunt. It only lasted a few minutes but the whole experience impacted my life and work in a powerful way. I work and dedicate my life to helping and serving disabled people. This experience of having felt what seemed like being in a disabled person's body made me especially concious about putting forth my best effort in the work that I do.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: Itzpapalotl] 2
#27196448 - 02/09/21 10:08 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have experienced P. Cubensis maybe 300 times over the last 40 years, usually 2~3 grams; never had nor heard of wood lover's paralysis until experiencing it. A few weeks ago I had P. Cyanescens for the first time, 2 grams. I'm at 155 lbs body weight. They were picked last fall, in the Washington woods, dried and kept in a freezer. At the end when I was gathering my stuff I lost my balance a little but was able to make it to my car after a 1 mile trek with not much trouble. A couple of weeks later at the same place I took 2.4 grams of the cyans. This time afterwards it took me a couple of hours to walk the mile. I kept collapsing and resting after each time. I could hardly zip the zippers on my gear. Then a couple of weeks later I took 2.2 grams and coming down, took 2 Benadryl, and as I started to pack up, took another. This time symptoms of the paralysis were absent. I felt a little disoriented, but this species is apparently possessed of pretty high psilocybin content. I gave some of these to 2 women and was with them when they dosed, 2 grams each. They both experienced the paralysis, no Benadryl. One of them had trouble forming words.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 1
#27197137 - 02/10/21 10:49 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is the kinda thing that makes me worry about getting into mushrooms, like damn!
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 1
#27493176 - 10/05/21 04:25 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Me and a couple of friends are looking for samples of paralysis causing mushroom and substrate. If anyone comes across them again, please collect substrate samples as well and let me know!
We will analyse the material and try to finally get to the bottom of it.
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Re: Wood Lovers Paralysis - My Solution [Re: syNtheticz0r] 1
#27559100 - 11/27/21 02:18 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey I saw you tried the 'allergy medicine' treatment....The drug I took that helped was diphenhydramine. It's and allergy medicine so at first I thought that's why it helped but later realized the drug had other actions responsible for its anti-paralysis effects....it also effects the muscarinic acetylcholine receptors. I also took Piracetam and that helped a lot with the blurry vision and mental fog. Hope this helps!
In vitro, the rank order of anticholinergic potencies of the antihistamines was cyproheptadine>promethazine>desloratadine>diphenhydramine>loratadine>chlorpheniramine.
Also way to go on the 'young mushroom theory'. I am going to second what you said....I have also noticed that in mushrooms that cause WLP, the younger ones seem to not be bad at all. In my experience, the older you let them get the more paralysis you will experience. This was one of the reason for the "black rot hypothesis". It's more common in the older mushrooms. I think it has to do with this:


Basically there is an enzymatic process in which the active compounds are made....In theory, later down that process is when the paralysis inducing compound are produced. Thus, eating the younger fruits of a paralysis causing wood lover (subs, cyans, azzies).
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