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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: eligal]
    #5587258 - 05/03/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yes, but what is "your achohol addiction"? why can't you just say "Me" or "I"? You are still depersonalizing it, as if it were a body part. I don't see any difference between saying what you have said and saying "My hand made me drink".


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5587525 - 05/03/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah his alcohol addiction. As in he/she is an addict of alcohol. You sound like an AA nazi.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5588639 - 05/04/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
yes, but what is "your achohol addiction"? why can't you just say "Me" or "I"? You are still depersonalizing it, as if it were a body part. I don't see any difference between saying what you have said and saying "My hand made me drink".




well i think its just a way we communicate. when people talk about stuff like this, they isolate different parts so its more understandable. my horniness, my addiction, my pride, my lack of, my need, etc etc.

plus, really man, have you ever been addicted to something? because those of us who have, i think we can all agree that it does have a very strong effect on us to where we do feel that it is somethign else controlling us. i dont really know how to describe it, but if you go to an AA meeting, you will be able to hear the horror stories people have, and you will hear how they reacted, felt, etc. and its like i said, many times addcition is so strong that it feels like we do not have control over it. thats what makes it an addiction. that is why support groups exist. thats why the hospital has a branch called chemical dependancy department, thats why we have detox...

none of us are perfect, sometimes we arent as strong as we want to be, sometimes we arent as strong as we should be. sad though it may be, thats how it is, and addiction is something many people are dealing with and the last thing they need is for someone to come pransing around and make them feel even more inferior.
stay on your high horse all you want, but it will only make it hurt more when reality comes around to you and bites you in the ass.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: nethrill]
    #5589443 - 05/04/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

even the FDA now says 40 oz of beer a day is better than 40 oz of milk

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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5590867 - 05/04/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ALCOHOLISM IS A DISEASE. If you lived with a REAL alcoholic you would know that they dont have much control at all when it comes to drinking. It is a disorder like any other. This is from first hand experience(parents are alcoholics). Alcoholics need drink to live their lives, without it, it is like missing an arm. They would never say this, they will always blame external issues to justify their drinking e.g "o well my freind got in from town, so i had to have a few beers with him" or "my boss is riding my ass, i need a drink" If there is no reason to drink they will simply create one.

The "IT" he is referring to is his alcoholism, something you clearly know nothing about.Christ sake its not like quiting pot or something...


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: nethrill]
    #5591089 - 05/04/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

trust me, if I could afford alchahol I would be an alchaholic.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: beltane]
    #5591795 - 05/04/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly, one of the most meaningful statements my father has ever spoken was in telling me (while, really drunk) "I'd be an alchoholic, but I work too much".


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5593970 - 05/05/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if your dad was an alcoholic......he probably wouldnt work


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: beltane]
    #5594213 - 05/05/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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if your dad was an alcoholic......he probably wouldnt work




this or he would go to work drunk :shrug:

but yea if its not one ofthese two he was not an alcoholic


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: eligal]
    #5594791 - 05/05/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We all need substances in our lives. I haven't gone more than a week without booze for 5-6 years and I'm 21 (well, in a couple weeks). I'm actually getting tired of booze and the ill effects surrounding it but I always end up drinking it.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: beltane]
    #5598052 - 05/06/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I guess you guys didn't get it. There was an implied cause and effect there that you missed.

So, why is it just drinking that has its own name? why isn't there crackism? heroinism? methism?

why isn't it considered a "disease" when someone is addicted to crack?

frankly, I have yet to see any definitive proof that alcoholism is a genetic induced disease which renders someone completely helpless against reform.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5599611 - 05/07/06 12:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the disease model of addiction is seriously flawed and slowly being phased out. there is much materiall about this on the web. however, just to give one example peoplle enjoy the affects of drugs, youre not supposed to enjoy a disease. furthermore, the '' disease'' is completely contingent on your own choices. recovering alcoholics have to choose not to drink. saying its a disease implies its not something that one can choose, thus it would be impossible to recover from. the more you believe its a disease the more you take away your power to control yourself. i see no reason to call it a disease when it can be better understood as an addiction. obviously addictions can be difficult to overcome, incredibly difficult depending on how far in you are but thats not the point. the point is its not the same as cancer or aids. and yes i have experienced an addiction (although not to alcohol) and i never felt the need to claim it was a disease.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: Deviate]
    #5601043 - 05/07/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That is my whole point. Calling it a disease is actually retarding any possible recovery.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: nethrill]
    #5601098 - 05/07/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Salvia can help you with that.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5601106 - 05/07/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that alcholism is a disorder, not a disease. The difference may seem slight, but "disease" implies invasion from outside forces & unavoidable physical malfunction.

While there is some evidence of genetic (and thus physical) propensity towards alcoholism, not all children of alcoholics become alcoholics themselves. This points to a behavioral (and thus mental) basis for alcoholism. To call it a "disease" removes this basis, and (IMO) supports the unhealthy idea that the alcoholic is not responsible for his or her choice to continue drinking.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: Veritas]
    #5618369 - 05/11/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yea i agree that a large aspect is behavioral. Im sorry if i emplied that a person with a genetic predisposition is helpless, I was trying to get you to understand the degree of the addiction and dependance, which most could not understand unless youve been there or lived with an alcoholic.

What i was getting at was is if someone is genetically predisposed to alcoholism they may very well develope it without really knowing until its too late. Everyone(well most) will have a social drink with some freinds for time to time. The average alcoholic gradually increases his drinking levels at social gatherings over a long period of time without thinking much of it as after all, alcohol is socially acceptable unlike other drugs.

The drinker gets increasively worse until he is dependant, which is when quiting is extremily hard. You are right in saying that he could of stopped this, he could of recognised his problem, but the problem with most is, they never feel they have a problem until its too late. It is because of the social use of alcohol that makes it different to drugs like heroine crack etc. People get sucked into alcoholism rather than making a conscious decision "im going to try that addictive drug heroine today"

There are many who quit alcohol who struggle every day (like previously said) i didnt mean to say its impossible to quit, just very very hard. I do agree that saying its a disease isnt a good enough exscuse, But it is easy for us to say "get help" or tell them they have control...it is very easy to say these things. But it is a different thing altogether being that person in the depths of addiction. It can be like telling a depressed person to "just be happy". The sad fact is most alcoholics only seek help when they are at rock bottom, completely alone and nothing left but the bottle.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: goobler]
    #5618975 - 05/11/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the FDA could have alterior motives :wink:


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: nethrill]
    #18393308 - 06/09/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Admitting your an alcoholic is the first step. I don't know why they say that because there is no final step. The hardest thing for me is to remember that i am an alcoholic and drug addict. The best possible help you can get to deal with it is in AA or NA. yeah it sucks and you might feel like a loser at first, but it's the only thing that keeps reminding you of the truth. seeing and hearing the addiction in other people. It's the same damn thing in everyone who is an addict. There are all sorts of different ways it effects people, but eventually it will effect you the same way if you let it keep tricking you. Go to AA and NA or rehab if you have to. The only other thing that might be a possibility is the Ibogaine treatment. I'd like to try it but for now I have to accept reality, AA or NA.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: ShamenWarrior]
    #18393413 - 06/09/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

one more thing I know about addiction. It is in control and will make you do what it takes to keep it that way. Manipulation, rewarding you with good feelings, giving you a false sense of the reality in whatever your seeking, and making you believe in it because it's better than the truth. It uses your mind against you. If you need to get money to pay for it, it will let you do what you have to do to get that money. It does what it has to do to survive. I consider it a tool of evil. Because the end result is taking everything from you. Hopes dreams beliefs, family, friends, until it gets you to denounce God and choose evil, then it take your life. the last part is only true if you believe in god and evil, but it will kill you no matter what you believe. It's probably going to kill me if I don't go to AA or NA regularly. Don't try and come up with a solution to this thing, it will use it against you.


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Re: anyone else suffering from alcoholism? [Re: ShamenWarrior]
    #18394776 - 06/09/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I felt like I was becoming hooked for a while.. .then it got boring. Same old same old. Now I have no interest in alcohol or the effects of it. I prefer the weed n shrooms. Hopefully you will feel the same in time...


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