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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67] * 1
    #27183162 - 02/02/21 03:55 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

I still have trouble with this picture thing. For some reason when I click on choose files it brings up videos from my camera roll on my iPad instead of the pictures. Oh well sometimes it takes me five tries sometimes it takes me one. Shot!


Oh my God I finally got them up. These are the ones with the flashlights behind it candle lighting for a better view of what’s going on in there. Maybe it’ll help maybe not. And after re-reading your post I guess what you’re telling me I need to do is make another transfer?? And also is it really possible for me to have colonizing going on in 24 hours enough to break through the casing layer? Oh and don’t forget my question about the condensation. Am I supposed to have condensation this early or is the condensation supposed to start to form when I get that layer of colonization. Which brings me to question three. I missed it it lightly once I filled those shoeboxes and put the casing layer. Am I supposed to leave it alone or check it for moisture content with my finger and mist if needed. I’ve got to say... I had perfect Field capacity. Lol. That’s because I’ve had such a good help from the Shroomery!!! :wink:


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27183208 - 02/02/21 04:35 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

Your boxes are at the don't fuck with em step. This can be the hardest step, especially on your first grow! Once the top is fully colonized and white you should see water beading on the surface of the substrate. It becomes hydrophobic and squeezes the sub, so the water that you already put in there to bring to field capacity ends up beading on the surface. As these beads evaporate, pinning is triggered.

Don't worry about what the lid looks like. If the coir gets completely dried out and light colored on top, and you don't get water beads, then it is ok to mist it to get it back to field cap. This usually won't happen unless you're in a really dry climate, you've got a fan blowing on the box, or you didn't put enough water in the first place.

I can't tell from those photos. There might be some condensation messing with the clarity but I'm fairly sure I can sorta see through, and they look really, really fuzzy. I definitely don't trust them currently, but you might see that it's ok after a transfer or two. Just take a very very small sample from the most leading edge. Your transfers are huge. Try to do smaller than that to isolate genetics more quickly.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: karri0n]
    #27183478 - 02/02/21 07:30 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

Ahhhh, I see. I knew they were too big once I cut them. However I already have a strawberry correr on its way so I can take nice, small, uniform, and deliberate cultures. Those were my first ones I ever did so I didn’t know any better. Anyway my shoeboxes do have condensation on the lids! I have no problem leaving them alone but it is almost impossible not to keep picking at them. That is why I got clear lids so I wouldn’t be tempted to open it and look inside. They are the type of shoeboxes with the snap on handles but they don’t make a seal so currently I have them latched. I don’t introduce air until I go into the footing stage correct?  If I have time tonight I will do a couple more transfers like an eighth of the size of what I got there! LOL once again thank you for your help.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27183538 - 02/02/21 08:00 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

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Ahhhh, I see. I knew they were too big once I cut them. However I already have a strawberry correr on its way so I can take nice, small, uniform, and deliberate cultures. Those were my first ones I ever did so I didn’t know any better. Anyway my shoeboxes do have condensation on the lids! I have no problem leaving them alone but it is almost impossible not to keep picking at them. That is why I got clear lids so I wouldn’t be tempted to open it and look inside. They are the type of shoeboxes with the snap on handles but they don’t make a seal so currently I have them latched. I don’t introduce air until I go into the footing stage correct?  If I have time tonight I will do a couple more transfers like an eighth of the size of what I got there! LOL once again thank you for your help.




I wouldn't introduce air at all until they push the lid up on their own. If you are using latch type boxes, just unsnap them once you see pins.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: karri0n]
    #27183801 - 02/02/21 11:08 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

OK now I’m really confused. I thought once the substrate was fully colonized I start fanning it to for evaporation which then promotes pinning. No more pins that get produce more fruit get gets produced. I mean I know that I have read this and heard it and seen it 100 times. Please do explain. Thank you.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67] * 1
    #27184556 - 02/03/21 01:22 PM (3 years, 12 days ago)

Don't fan shoeboxes. Shoeboxes are the most neglect tek there is. The main teks are:

RatThing: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24726257: mix 1:2 to field capacity, put in shoebox, crack lid when fruits are tall.

Shaperdreaming: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26009662 : mix 1:1.5 at lower than field capacity, then add .5 coir on top and mist to soak above field capacity. Crack lid when fruits are tall.

Mushboy: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24038695 : mix 1:2 at field cap, take lid off and place in a monotub when pins appear.

Bod: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25274461#25274461 : Mix anywhere from 1:1 to 1:4 at field cap, put plastic shopping bags with a couple small holes cut in the top over them. Leave alone until harvest.


Only if you're fruiting in a monotub is it recommended that they're opened, and they still don't get fanned.

Most people on shroomery don't fan monotubs either. That's generally old advice or garbage advice from other places(which take old advice from shroomery). The point of a monotub is to dial it in so you don't need to screw around with it.

But these are shoeboxes and are already dialed in from the manufacturer.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: karri0n]
    #27187275 - 02/05/21 12:51 AM (3 years, 11 days ago)

Thank you. This is what I mean about this platform there are so many posts in different ways to do things and God only knows if I’m picking the right one. Like you just gave me four more to look at if not five. Lol. But I picked one of those and I’m going to stick to it. Or dial it in as they say. Thanks again for your help


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27187322 - 02/05/21 01:50 AM (3 years, 11 days ago)

You’re gonna have a canopy of shrooms in no time Ernie!  Looking good.. I can’t comment on the agar plate because I’ve never done agar.. so you’ve already got me beat there :wink:

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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27187960 - 02/05/21 12:32 PM (3 years, 10 days ago)

Thanx for the vote of confidence. That’s kind of you man. I want to know how you have a gallery like that without ever using agar. Also you e been doing it for 16 years on here. I get the impression on The Shroomery if you do r use agar than your doing it wrong and I see you’ve got your TC label. Lol. Congrats! I’ve read many of your posts and advice throughout this forum over the past 6 weeks and I’d bet my life on it that you know what your doing. So I appreciate any and all advice coming from you. Thanx Brutha!


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27188150 - 02/05/21 02:43 PM (3 years, 10 days ago)

I’d definitely use agar if I had a flowhood.. I just don’t trust opening jars or lids without one.  But I use small jars of grain in a similar way others use agar (put tissue straight to the grain jar) it does narrow my options a little.. I can’t really clean up a culture easily.  Bacteria can be worked with and cloned away from but if a culture has mold, it’s toast for me.  It helps that I’m not super picky when it comes to selection.. I get a decent clone and run with it. 

If you want to know more about how I do things, check out the “everything faht” link in my sig.  might give ya some ideas

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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: fahtster]
    #27189823 - 02/06/21 02:11 PM (3 years, 9 days ago)

I’ll do that and thank you. Later I’m gonna take some pics of my shoeboxes and post them in hopes that I’ll receive some opinions on what’s going on and if I’m right where I’m supposed to be!


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27190030 - 02/06/21 04:21 PM (3 years, 9 days ago)

Id recommend learning a handful of TEKs and integrating them. Start with PF tek. Then read up on UNCLE BENs tek. and other TEKs. Lots of youtube vids on these 2. Read the TEK in my sig and you will master agar in no time.


Uncle Bens Jars is an easy start. Then go to agar. Then to popcorn/coffee Jars.

It is a bit confusing. People make things really difficult. You can simplify things ALOT more than some would like you to know.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Mindful Mushi]
    #27191487 - 02/07/21 11:17 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

Ironically, that’s pretty much what I’m already doing. I did do some BRF cakes but I spawned them to bulk, I did inoculate some uncle Ben’s rice bags, I had some grain jars going which  stalled, I have about 30 dishes poured with about half of them inoculated,including some transfers that I’m cleaning up. And I have made several jars of LC. Thank you for the encouragement


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    #27191492 - 02/07/21 11:19 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

You got this ! They keep telling me i dont got this. But im eating mushrooms. So i got something.


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: Mindful Mushi]
    #27193687 - 02/08/21 12:49 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

I don’t know what it is with me and hydrating grains. My first attempt was with wheat my second attempt which is now is with popcorn kernels and I soaked them both for 24 hours and boiled them for the recommended time and in both instances they are not done. They are/were still hard and there isn’t even one kernel burst. I believe this is the reason why my wheat stalled on me. My question is does it matter whether or not your water is hard or soft.? I’m grasping at straws here because even if it did it wouldn’t affect it on this magnitude in difference in time. Opinions welcome! LOL thank you kindly

...an hour and a half later. So this means that I sold these popcorn kernels for 24 hours and boil them for over 90 minutes and they are still hard. Don’t get me wrong I can squish them with my fingers but they are still hard. I pulled them anyways because they have to be done! How could they not be?? Everywhere I read nobody says to cook them more than an hour. 30 minutes 45 minutes 50 minutes, 60 minutes. To be exact mine went for 100 minutes!


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating [Re: Mindful Mushi] * 1
    #27193707 - 02/08/21 12:58 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

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Id recommend learning a handful of TEKs and integrating them.

Uncle Bens Jars is an easy start. Then go to agar. Then to popcorn/coffee Jars.

It is a bit confusing. People make things really difficult. You can simplify things ALOT more than some would like you to know.




Mindful Mushi, I know you've been given a bit of a grilling since you arrived. But pushing this sort of info is not helping your case.

Going MSS -> UB rice -> agar -> popcorn/coffee is over complicated and is way more prone to failure than the conventional routes suggested here.

MSS -> agar -> grain is fewer steps and has a much better track record.

I would politely urge you to stop suggesting new growers embark on approaches that have a higher chance of leading to frustration and failure.


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    #27193747 - 02/08/21 01:24 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

Just for the record. I had a couple of bags of uncle Ben’s rice laying around and I had some liquid culture so for shits and giggles I thought I’d give a stab at it… No pun intended ha ha well maybe a little bit. However, as suggested by several TC’s and simply people who knew more than I did,  I started off with BRF cakes and immediately learned how to make agar. This is what was suggested to me and as much as I didn’t want to do this and wanted to go right to grains I listened. 53 years old there’s one thing I have learned throughout all these years is I do not always know best!  Anything else on the side is just experimental. I am pretty bummed out over this fucking rain. First that stalling which was inoculated with LC. You can be sure that this batch of popcorn kernels will be getting inoculated with isolated agar culture.  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:


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    #27193763 - 02/08/21 01:30 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

Oh dude you're all good! You seem to be on an awesome journey and it's been a blast keeping tabs on the process! Thank you for bringing us along on the ride!

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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27193856 - 02/08/21 02:31 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

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I don’t know what it is with me and hydrating grains. My first attempt was with wheat my second attempt which is now is with popcorn kernels and I soaked them both for 24 hours and boiled them for the recommended time and in both instances they are not done. They are/were still hard and there isn’t even one kernel burst. I believe this is the reason why my wheat stalled on me. My question is does it matter whether or not your water is hard or soft.? I’m grasping at straws here because even if it did it wouldn’t affect it on this magnitude in difference in time. Opinions welcome! LOL thank you kindly

...an hour and a half later. So this means that I sold these popcorn kernels for 24 hours and boil them for over 90 minutes and they are still hard. Don’t get me wrong I can squish them with my fingers but they are still hard. I pulled them anyways because they have to be done! How could they not be?? Everywhere I read nobody says to cook them more than an hour. 30 minutes 45 minutes 50 minutes, 60 minutes. To be exact mine went for 100 minutes!




Dang sorry for the hard times. Any chances you can get some oats? Do you have any local feed stores near you?  If you’re able to you can follow bodi’s teks pretty straight forward. If not what about trying some WBS?


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Re: New guy. Trouble navigating /coversall and agar [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27194522 - 02/08/21 11:27 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

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I don’t know what it is with me and hydrating grains. My first attempt was with wheat my second attempt which is now is with popcorn kernels and I soaked them both for 24 hours and boiled them for the recommended time and in both instances they are not done. They are/were still hard and there isn’t even one kernel burst. I believe this is the reason why my wheat stalled on me. My question is does it matter whether or not your water is hard or soft.? I’m grasping at straws here because even if it did it wouldn’t affect it on this magnitude in difference in time. Opinions welcome! LOL thank you kindly

...an hour and a half later. So this means that I sold these popcorn kernels for 24 hours and boil them for over 90 minutes and they are still hard. Don’t get me wrong I can squish them with my fingers but they are still hard. I pulled them anyways because they have to be done! How could they not be?? Everywhere I read nobody says to cook them more than an hour. 30 minutes 45 minutes 50 minutes, 60 minutes. To be exact mine went for 100 minutes!




1. Stop squeezing them and checking them if you don't know what they're supposed to be like since you've never done this before. If you followed a reputable tek to the letter, then it should work.

2. What recommendations are you following? Where did you find the recommendation for wheat or popcorn, or for soaking 24 hours and such? That sounds like really old advice. Popcorn is also about the worst, aside from rice. This really sounds like some willy myco or philly golden teacher advice, and if you're experiencing failure after going specifically where folks told you not to go and following their advice, well I'm not sure what you expected.

Wheat works well but is very difficult to get perfect. Popcorn is best prepped in hot oil with salt and butter and not useful for anything else.

Oats are the easiest to prep and hardest to fuck up. The hull protects the grain, keeping it more intact, and some people think it might also be helpful to protect the mycelium during the shake.

Buy 13 bucks worth of oats(that's 50lb) from a feed store.

I use eat's easy oat prep tek.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22158748

boil a big ass pot of water, turn it off, put the oats in for 45 minutes, then sit them in strainers to dry off for 15 minutes to an hour, stirring every once in a while to keep the hot water at the surface and evaporating. Then jar them up 3/4 full and PC for 90 mins. 2 hours if you are at higher elevation.

You can also do a boil for 10-20 minutes (bod's easy af oat tek) but I find they get more mushy and I get smear on the inside of the jar when I shake them.


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