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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27190590 - 02/06/21 10:05 PM (3 years, 9 days ago)

I recently took 21 grams worth of AA+ in tea form. I've never done DMT. I don't know what the difference is because that's my normal dose with Cubensis but this was my first experience with Albinos and I am extremely experienced. I have taken 25 hits LSD at once and I smoked PCP for a good portion of my life and I never had this type of experience ever. I would say it was around 5 times plus more intense than usual. I passed into the afterlife and returned and now I know what they mean by the reset button in your brain. I imagine it would have taken a few oz of my normal shrooms to get where it took me. I don't know if it's a difference in alkaloids or compounds etc... I do know I didn't know that was possible. I actually was worried I Od'ed even though I know it would take at least a couple oz of pure psilocin to do so. Whatever the difference is Albinos are not the same as the normal ones.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Professor X]
    #27191029 - 02/07/21 06:10 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

Ok so you happened to grow a strong batch :shrug:
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but this was my first experience with Albinos and I am extremely experienced




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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27191148 - 02/07/21 07:49 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

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Pastywhyte said:But I'm also not looking to convince some level 9 shamans on the internet that the scientific method can be used to unpack the trip reports of 1000's of Wooks with too much time on their hands.




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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27191215 - 02/07/21 08:50 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

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I'm betting that if I gave someone 50 mg of 4ACO, 2 grams of dry Pan cyans, and 50 ug of LSD all mixed up in a cocktail, 99% of people in a blind taste test couldn't tell me exactly what they took other than it was a psyche.





Lol yeah I can just see a bunch of people drinking that tea swishing it around going “mmm..yes. I’m getting distinct notes of pan tropicalis with just a hint of 4ACO undertones to this fractal I’m flying through”


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27192492 - 02/07/21 07:29 PM (3 years, 8 days ago)

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Reportedly isn't a quantifiable metric. I'm not saying anything definitive other than I simply don't trust peoples anecdotes as much as I do my own observations, and even those are clouded by perspective.

Mushrooms likely have compounds we haven't found yet but there is no point speculating on their impact until we do, and run tests. Lots of study to be done before any of this is anything more than conjecture and mental masturbation.




Are you saying that in your experience at high doses DMT and psilocybin/Psilocin are indistiguishable?

I can certainly understand how that's possible considering the mechanics involved and wouldn't argue against something that you were there for and I wasn't, but it definitely isn't what most anecdotes or scientific study seem to indicate.

The affects of psychedelics are mostly experiential and subjective, so "quantifiable metrics" aren't something we can really easily come by using a typical model for pharmacological studies, unless you are talking about symptomatic relief of some sort.

Saying DMT and psilocybin have exactly the same effects flies in the face of most literature and experience reports, so at what point can "reportedly" be something acceptable in that regard?




What literature? Experience Reports? I'm sorry but I take most of what's available on the subject with a rather large grain of salt. But that strawman argument aside, I don't believe I said they have "exactly the same effects." I said (or at least tried to say) that the effects in concert will likely be indistiguishable. But I'm also not looking to convince some level 9 shamans on the internet that the scientific method can be used to unpack the trip reports of 1000's of Wooks with too much time on their hands.

I'm betting that if I gave someone 50 mg of 4ACO, 2 grams of dry Pan cyans, and 50 ug of LSD all mixed up in a cocktail, 99% of people in a blind taste test couldn't tell me exactly what they took other than it was a psyche.




I don't disagree with any of that, Aside from dismissing it as a straw man, considering I was literally asking if that's what you're saying. I was also asking if you've specifically tried it. Not trying to argue but I can understand why it seems that way. I'm well aware drug stories are full of shit, which is why I'm asking experts.

There are in fact scientific studies detailing the affects of different psychs, so I don't know what you're playing at there.

What you said as I understood it does fly in the face of a lot of the common understanding. On the other hand you're considered a bit of an expert on the matter, so you're qualified to make claims like that.

As to your extreme example, agree 110% , though That cocktail is  not the same as a moderate dose of dmt + Psilocin, and identifying what compound you were dosed with with specificity isn't the same as saying dmt + psilo feels different than one or the other alone. At full mind blowing doses, sure.

Mild to.moderate? Still skeptical.


Fuckin A man, I post a scientific study detailing an answer to the thread question and I get bod AND pasty coming after me for being a goddamn hippie.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: karri0n]
    #27192579 - 02/07/21 08:39 PM (3 years, 8 days ago)

Sorry, didn’t mean to sound so harsh. I guess this shit just frustrates me cause I’ve got the same questions as everyone else and my own hunches. But it’s honestly a meaningless discussion without better data and I don’t consider myself enough of an authority to feel comfortable postulating my thoughts on the subject, regardless of who wants to read them.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27192600 - 02/07/21 08:56 PM (3 years, 8 days ago)

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Ok so you happened to grow a strong batch :shrug:
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but this was my first experience with Albinos and I am extremely experienced




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idk I'm 40 and been doing psychedelics for 26 years. Maybe just a tad. Like I said my normal dose is 21 grams and it wasn't one batch it was a bunch of tubs. I have 50 copies of the culture atm.


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Re: what other compounds, chemicals give a strain's trip's character? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27192618 - 02/07/21 09:12 PM (3 years, 8 days ago)

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Sorry, didn’t mean to sound so harsh. I guess this shit just frustrates me cause I’ve got the same questions as everyone else and my own hunches. But it’s honestly a meaningless discussion without better data and I don’t consider myself enough of an authority to feel comfortable postulating my thoughts on the subject, regardless of who wants to read them.




I get it.

Pharmacokinetics are a super interesting topic to me, so discussing and hearing others thoughts on the matter, especially those with either credentials or experience, is also interesting.

Besides, mental masturbation and regular masturbation are both generally cool in my book. Isn't that the point of the internet anyway?


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