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 What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? 
#27082999 - 12/10/20 10:48 PM (2 months, 25 days ago) |
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What is beyond Tequila, Vodka, Whiskey, Rum, Cognac, Scotch, Mezcal and that which has already been attempted/tried?
Uprades in Potassium distribution? Electolytes and new, higher flavours and aromas? New distributors? New friends/colleagues?
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 Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27083455 - 12/11/20 07:34 AM (2 months, 24 days ago) |
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Its certainly moved into the realm of chemistry outright. Alot of money has been spent by the big guys at this point and turns out its hard to beat millenia of serendipitous happenstance. I've been playing around with a few ideas mostly involving rapid aging processes. Most have my focus has been on essentially developing ways to bring the truly top self thats just so far and away better than most of the things produced to the masses. After reading your post im thinking what could be totally new and I mean not just some fad we see come and go but some new spirit or process entirely.
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27086816 - 12/13/20 08:50 AM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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I'm curious about this thread. Do you guys have any links?
The future of many liquors is dodgey, agave is overharvested hence the tequila spike in price and mezcals boom in popularity, established vineyards are no longer producing the same quality via climate change.
Unless things have changed i an in chiefs boat here, modern versions can taste good but don't have the depth and polish as traditional made liquor and infusions are the same.
I could care less about another petroleum-based flavor of something something.
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
#27087248 - 12/13/20 03:04 PM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: Study The CNS] 1
#27100485 - 12/21/20 10:29 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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Like I said most of what I've looked into as been focused on rapid aging techniques for wines and whiskey or other aged spirits. Particularly in creating free radicals through ultrasonic vibration or gamma light.
Here's some links:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1324205/
http://www.academicwino.com/2015/09/wine-technology-device-accelerated-aging-wine.html/
https://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66552
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27101218 - 12/21/20 06:33 PM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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Thanks for the links, should have prefaced my post before with I'm a decade plus of managing bars and working the bar so although I love alcohol history that wiki post really didn't help too much with the subject at hand.
Curious to see about rapid aging. I'm biased but skeptical.
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
#27101306 - 12/21/20 07:24 PM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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Ultrasonic aging works to a degree. It certainly seems to notacebly smooth things out. You can take a white neutral spirit and bring it to something comparable to a 3-4 year aged whiskey in no time with a whole Lotta shakin and filtering. You can take a 3-4 year and make it smooth as silk like something twice as old atleast. The hard part is developing actual nuance and layers of complexity. I'm talking about doing something that takes 20 years at the flip of a switch. Talking about a 20 year old whiskey for the price of a 3 year. I think it can be done the trouble is scaling it up.
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#27103669 - 12/23/20 09:48 AM (2 months, 12 days ago) |
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when/if this gets on the market most of the population will be perma hammered...
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/alcohol-without-the-hangover
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: pugster]
#27105244 - 12/24/20 06:43 AM (2 months, 11 days ago) |
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How would you guys/gals modify whiskey and gin to prevent intestinal bloating?
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27119961 - 01/01/21 11:06 AM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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A little different than what you're asking, but I have one for you. There is a machine called an AWOL machine that is essentially alcohol without drinking. You pretty much hit this tube like you're sort of hitting hooka and its gets you drunk without the hangover because of how quickly it goes through your system as a vapor. They seem fairly effective as well.
Anyway somebody is going to take this technology and make it smaller/handheld soon. Don't know when. Don't know who. Just makes fucking sense.
As far as your actual question, dude man above is on the money with 25 year bourbon being created through technological advances in 3 years. I'm constantly seeing articles about people experimenting and tweaking with oak and the processes within. Whats cool is there will be multiple people with different ways of creating a convincing 25 year old whiskey through technology. Imagine blending those and creating something nobody has tasted yet. Anyway I'm high...
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: The OCB]
#27120168 - 01/01/21 01:10 PM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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ive also done a few experiments over the years with rapid aging - using both ultrasonic machines as well as rapid push/pull using a microwave/fridge , although these methods do give an 'aged' effect to the drink and help to smooth it out anyone that drinks decent stuff on a regular basis can easily tell the difference.
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#27120527 - 01/01/21 04:30 PM (2 months, 3 days ago) |
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There's a bunch of different fruit that could be fermented but nobody does. Start there
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: JonBa]
#27137884 - 01/09/21 05:29 PM (1 month, 26 days ago) |
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Aside from advancing liquors, what could be done to beers to prevent intestinal bloat? There is an answer here. What is it?
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27139615 - 01/10/21 01:49 PM (1 month, 25 days ago) |
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I don't drink anymore, but you can make very powerful bourbon very quickly now, and "age" it incredibly quickly. Someone in my area got a patent for it. It looks like a tiny rotating nuclear silo with graphite rods
They were gonna help others I know before their patent got approved and they started making seven figures. Basically they can make Knob creek quality and strength incredibly fast
Also they could probably "age" scotch a ton. I'll bet they will make synthetic enzymes to create extra flavor and speed up the process
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: skOsH]
#27170510 - 01/26/21 11:01 AM (1 month, 9 days ago) |
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I have another question. What could we do to modify liquor and beer to decrease fat developing or storing in the liver?
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27189056 - 02/06/21 04:23 AM (29 days, 22 hours ago) |
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Next Question On This Topic -----
What can we do to substitute gaseous Carbon Dioxide (CO2) in beer and other alcohol beverages? There is ALSO an answer here, maybe multiple answers. What are they?
https://www.google.com/search?q=replace+carbonation+in+beer&rlz=1C9BKJA_enKH795KH795&oq=replace+carbonation+in+beer&aqs=chrome..69i57.13252j1j7&hl=en-GB&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27189087 - 02/06/21 05:44 AM (29 days, 21 hours ago) |
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tbh i'm struggling to think of a reason why you would want or need to replace CO2 in beverages that naturally produce it as part of the fermenting process.
alot of the questions you are asking seem to be trying to reinvent the wheel.
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Re: What will we be able to create in the next generation of liquors? [Re: pugster]
#27189097 - 02/06/21 06:17 AM (29 days, 20 hours ago) |
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What does consuming CO2 do to the body? What natural effects are caused, and what secondary products are exhausted by the human body as a result of ingesting CO2?
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