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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: clockworkshroom]
#27192229 - 02/07/21 04:42 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nope. Draining isn't even really all that necessary, its still wet when i load even though its been sitting in the sink. I just do it so that im not slopping water everywhere and I usually have other shit to do like then on the hood and other lab shit. When I pack the 75x There's two brewers bags full of of grain and one side of the sink has a cut door screen layed in it that holds another buckets worth.
I pour the grains back into the orange buckets to load at my table, draining isn't meant to dry the millet, just to drain off the water so that you're not working with birdseed soup.
Edited by Stipe-n Cap (02/07/21 04:48 PM)
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27192743 - 02/07/21 10:49 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fantastic write up p9!
A great checklist for the new and the old growers alike!
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: mind.at.large]
#27192744 - 02/07/21 10:50 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks, brother
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27194157 - 02/08/21 06:05 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Something maybe worth covering in here is how one should dispose of bacterial jars.
Are mine that are all still white and smell ok but are showing signs of contamination even safe to chuck in shoeboxes?
Or do they qualify as the type that should be opened only outside and extremely cautiously?
Just read a 19 year old thread on here about a dude ending up in hospital after sniffing a bad jar!
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: clockworkshroom]
#27194161 - 02/08/21 06:08 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lol, no special procedure for dumping bad spawn. Just shake it up and dump into the trash.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27194174 - 02/08/21 06:18 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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So my jars have always been hard to shake/break up. now some of them I know it was due to contamination, but some look like very clear/good mycelium growth, they just get really lumpy and i gotta really smack that bitch to get them apart(pic related)
 are some just harder to break apart or are these actually contaminated?
Or am i just a pussy
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: falconman]
#27194178 - 02/08/21 06:21 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is that a bunch of condensation in the top portion of your jars?
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27194193 - 02/08/21 06:34 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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They look very full. That can also be a problem, to little surface area for the grains to mix in.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Sockadin]
#27194214 - 02/08/21 06:45 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've run a lot of spawn and my experience tells me that there is a direct correlation between the amount of bacteria and the thickness/tenacity of the mycelium. It's like the mycelium responds to the infection by doubling down on it's presence on the grains. This "doubling down" effect changes the colour of the mycelium as well, the thicker it gets, the whiter it gets.
This super white, thickened mycelium is also accompanied by increased condensation on the glass. My guess is that it's the result of microbial thermogenesis from bacterial activity and also from the mycelium fighting the infection.
So I notice that the leading edge of that mycelium is getting pretty thick, and the pic is taken at a low angle. I will wager that the shoulders of your jars are wet with condensation.
I've never had a jar like that (thick/hard to shake mycelium)perform well.
Edit*
If you go back to the OP and check the clean mycelium pics you'll notice that even though the myc is a nice, clean white colour, it's leading edge is nice an thin. This is very typical of healthy spawn.
Edited by Stipe-n Cap (02/08/21 07:09 PM)
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27194249 - 02/08/21 07:10 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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So yea, my jars are definitely more full than they should be(which is probably part of the issue), and that is condensation, but I think it may be due to just temperature swings in the room/house(furnace is going out so its seen swings from 67-75 daily). A few uninnoculated jars on the same shelf also have the condensation, but the grains fall like rice inside the jars. You tell me on that one as I'm the newbie.
Also, would movement cause the mycelium to also get whiter on the leading edge? I've moved them a few times due to changing shelves and stuff and that chunk of growth has gotten shifted around a few times.
Also x2 won't let me upload another picture rn, says their image hosting is down for maintenance.
Edit: so I checked your original post and see what you mean on the thick mycelium on the leading edge, but to my eyes(untrained), crack and socks leading edge looks very similar to how , can you help me differentiate betweest've them?
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: falconman] 1
#27194254 - 02/08/21 07:14 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Moving has no effect.
At the end of the day pics are just that, two dimensional representations of a 3 dimensional reality. Some bacteria is sneaky and a bit tougher to see.
Like I said before, thick/tenacious mycelium has always been bacterial ime, at least for cubes. Not true for things like Pleurotus but that's not what were talking about.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27194858 - 02/09/21 06:43 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=27194755&page=0&vc=1#27194755
They all smelt ok (I know that doesn't mean they are ok), I had to spoon them out though :S
Whatever grows on these even if by some bizarre, unexplainable reason I get a full canopy and multiple flushes will not be considered a success and I will not repeat the same mistakes. It's purely experimental and to show any other newbies what can occur with bad spawn.
Based on what I've read and watched my prediction is that I'll get a few sparse fruits if they get that far at all and that they go bad before the second flush.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: clockworkshroom]
#27194964 - 02/09/21 07:52 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Time will tell.
My prediction is excessive pooling of surface water followed by metabolites. You may get a few fruit but you may get nothing at all.

Splotches of bright white patches and what looks like side pins that never form.
Good luck
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27195003 - 02/09/21 08:23 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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It will be a journey of discovery no matter what. I'm genuinely equally excited to see a failed grow as I am a good one.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: clockworkshroom]
#27195006 - 02/09/21 08:24 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Either way you're going to learn something valuable. Great attitude.
How was the texture when you scooped it out? Was spooning it out difficult?
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27195032 - 02/09/21 08:35 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd wager that a lot of growers would have an easier time by running grain far drier than they think it should be. The idea of fungus in the minds of most people is one of practically an aquatic creature. As you pointed out, internal hydration is very important, but easy to achieve. After getting there however I really would stress to anybody not to fear drying the shit out of them before loading. I know everyone has their own way and some can't be bothered by the extra time but drier really is better for many reasons. My oats only drain for about 1 minute, then get spread piping hot on a towel spread thin and dried in front of a fan for a couple hours. I bet if more folks took the time there would be a lot less wasted grain in the world.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Smartattack]
#27195047 - 02/09/21 08:43 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Attention to detail is the name of the game, cut corners and you'll get out of it what you put into it.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Smartattack]
#27195048 - 02/09/21 08:44 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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That is definitely the overriding feedback that I've received in this thread and others. When I next do oats it will be my focus. Although I plan a millet run next and based on p9s advice they don't have to be dried as much on outside. This is all really confusing for someone who is terrible at science and has no common sense 🤣
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: clockworkshroom]
#27195056 - 02/09/21 08:48 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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The reason that millet can be loaded wet is that its a small, hard seed. Any excess surface moisture is going to be absorbed during the cycle, it hasn't had water already boiled into it the same way larger grains like oats do. This will happen in the PC.
Large cereal grains have been plumped up and hydrated by boiling so they're basically at grain "field capacity ". If they don't dry you'll get excessive moisture. This excess moisture, as outlined in the OP, will exploit any shortcomings in sterile procedure.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27195062 - 02/09/21 08:53 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
p9hu7 said: The reason that millet can be loaded wet is that its a small, hard seed. Any excess surface moisture is going to be absorbed during the cycle, it hasn't had water already boiled into it the same way larger grains like oats do. This will happen in the PC.
Large cereal grains have been plumped up and hydrated by boiling so they're basically at grain "field capacity ". If they don't dry you'll get excessive moisture. This excess moisture, as outlined in the OP, will exploit any shortcomings in sterile procedure.
I saw you recently say you'd soak millet as little as 6 hours. Has that worked for you?
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