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sandman420
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Enjoil]
#27569562 - 12/04/21 07:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isn;t that funny I learned that recently too. Dollar General has some basic pillows for $2 too, easy for anyone to get.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: sandman420]
#27569572 - 12/04/21 07:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I admit I buy it by the bag. I spent $1.99 a few years ago and have used about 20% of it lol
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Smartattack]
#27569584 - 12/04/21 07:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess I'm not going to replace my densely stuffed 1/4" polyfill holes in an attempt to hunt down the cause of slightly bacterial spawn. Sounds like they are fool proof, even if older.
I also questioned my upside down lids... but it seems everyone does that....
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: tedoro]
#27574898 - 12/09/21 03:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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So here is a side-by-side of SFDs. On the left is the style I just got in. It's the same look, feel, and thickness as the SFDs I used to use a while back only they were full widemouth lid size. Then I switched to plastic lids and bought some stick-on SFDs for them which you can see on the right. Note the difference in thickness. Really suspect on the performance of these thin SFDs and wondering if they may be the source of my contamination issues.
Will be gluing these new ones onto a bunch of lids soon and will test on my next batch of grain jars. Will post an update with the results.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27574944 - 12/09/21 03:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I prefer the thick ones personally.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Hindsight]
#27575097 - 12/09/21 06:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hindsight said: So here is a side-by-side of SFDs. On the left is the style I just got in. It's the same look, feel, and thickness as the SFDs I used to use a while back only they were full widemouth lid size. Then I switched to plastic lids and bought some stick-on SFDs for them which you can see on the right. Note the difference in thickness. Really suspect on the performance of these thin SFDs and wondering if they may be the source of my contamination issues.
Will be gluing these new ones onto a bunch of lids soon and will test on my next batch of grain jars. Will post an update with the results.

source for the self-stick think?
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: SpaceBaby]
#27575121 - 12/09/21 06:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here you go:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B089CNN95D
But in case my last post wasn't that clear, I am suspecting these thin adhesive discs may be the cause of some contamination issues I have been having. I can't say for sure yet though - but that's what I am trying to figure out by switching to the glue-on thicker discs for a while.
Edited by Hindsight (12/09/21 06:57 PM)
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Hindsight]
#27575285 - 12/09/21 08:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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You could try doubling up the filter discs. I like how some 1 mentioned that contam sticks to the exposed center area of the disc, yet they go into the PC anyways..
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Blazer420]
#27578896 - 12/12/21 04:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Blazer420 said: You could try doubling up the filter discs. I like how some 1 mentioned that contam sticks to the exposed center area of the disc, yet they go into the PC anyways.. 
That might have been me... My thought was if nutrition gets throughout your filter, contams might grow through the filter durning the growout of the jar.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: tedoro]
#27584070 - 12/16/21 06:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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First spawn jars of the cult season and they're showing signs of bacteria...this is going to be a short cult season if I can't get ahead of this issue
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Kizzle] 1
#27584395 - 12/17/21 02:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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1st pic looks like its popping nicely and 2nd looks like you added way too much butter
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27587549 - 12/19/21 05:04 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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p9hu7 said:
Grain prep: Make sure not to undertook your grains, undercooked grains will have a kernel that's improperly hydrated. Improper hydration means incomplete energy transfer to the kernel and incomplete sterilization. Check hydration by cutting open your grain to see if there's a white, starchy core. You want that core to have turned clear, as seen here:

This does not apply to WBS, millet, or any other seed, just to large cereal grains like oats, wheat, rye, etc.
I have a problem with millet, I always get bacterial jars, that never happens to me with wheat, I always get perfect wheat preparation, you can check my wheat prep in my signature. But with millet, that's another story for me. I guess millet shouldn't be just soak for 24 hours, it also needs a simmer? idk, soaking does not work for me.
Logic tells me that, millet also even tho the OP said doesn't apply, also has a starch core and needs to be cooked so it can be sterilized without issues.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#27587577 - 12/19/21 05:31 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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Millet acquires it's hydration partially from soaking, and then the rest of the hydration/expansion happens as the remaining surface moisture fully hydrates the seed that cooks during the cycle; This is why loading wet millet is ok, while loading wet cereal grains is a no go due to them already being fully hydrated before the cycle via boiling.
Do you rinse/clean your millet before soaking? If I soak millet without washing like other grains I'm guaranteed to get bacteria.
I don't have any issues with an 18 hour soak otherwise. I ensure that all my grains are rinsed clean even if they look clean enough not to require rinsing.
How it gets when I don't rinse:
 
How it looks when I rinse:

Edited by Stipe-n Cap (12/19/21 05:52 PM)
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27587634 - 12/19/21 06:27 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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p9hu7 said: Millet acquires it's hydration partially from soaking, and then the rest of the hydration/expansion happens as the remaining surface moisture fully hydrates the seed that cooks during the cycle; This is why loading wet millet is ok, while loading wet cereal grains is a no go due to them already being fully hydrated before the cycle via boiling.
Do you rinse/clean your millet before soaking? If I soak millet without washing like other grains I'm guaranteed to get bacteria.
I don't have any issues with an 18 hour soak otherwise. I ensure that all my grains are rinsed clean even if they look clean enough not to require rinsing.
How it gets when I don't rinse:

How it looks when I rinse:

I even wash them with dishwasher soap before they soak. I still get bacteria. And after the soak, the quick 20-minute drain is done how exactly? Maybe that's the part where I mess it up. And after that you just load your jars 3 cups per quart jar and then to PC?
Do you have a formula of how much dry millet is needed for 10 quart jars, by chance? I had one, but I don't remember, I guess i'll give millet a try again.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#27587642 - 12/19/21 06:39 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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I drain them using brewers bags. I hang the bags tied to the inside of my sink and let them drain for 20-30 mins while I get all of my shit together/ready for loading.
I load jars @ 3 cups/jar, 17-20 psi in a presto for 2 hours;
Bags I load 3 full quarts/bag for 4 hours @ 17-20 psi in a 75x.
I do more bags than jars though.
I did have a measurement that I used to get 10 jars but I don't do it enough to remember. I usually do 2x 5 gal buckets filled half with millet and the rest water. This gives me enough for 9 or 10 4lb bags and 10 jars with some left over.

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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27587645 - 12/19/21 06:51 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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Your sig isn't showing up, p9. Maybe just for me, but I can't see it. I'm very interested though cuz I just picked up some millet yesterday to give it a try. As always, thanks for everything!
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27587649 - 12/19/21 06:54 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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Okay, I will buy some brewers bags and hang them for 25 minutes. Noted.
Before soaking, I use dishwasher soap to clean them, then during soaking, I even change the water several times to throw off the bacterial water, until the water becomes clear again.
In grain preparation, I'm extremely cautious with bacteria. Probably I was not draining it enough, or it was my HEPA filter which I needed to replace, either way, I will try millet again.
I just don't like that millet can stick on the walls and lid inside the mason jar, I feel one of those millet seed won't colonize or something. I was thinking of using wheat at the top and millet at the bottom and inoculate with LC so all the millet down there is colonized first, and then I will have peace of mind to shake the jar. I know I'm very paranoid.
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Re: Clean spawn checklist for the new grower. [Re: Mr. Alien] 1
#27587655 - 12/19/21 06:59 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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I like millet, but I also use the grey plastic ball lids and it drives me fucking bananas how so many seeds end up in all the nooks and crannies of the lid. š”
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bigfootscreepyuncl said: Your sig isn't showing up, p9. Maybe just for me, but I can't see it. I'm very interested though cuz I just picked up some millet yesterday to give it a try. As always, thanks for everything!
Np, here you go:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27201428
@ Alien:
The millet will come out looking damp and will cling to the walls of the jars, or even get stuck up in the ge hole, just give the jars a good shaking after inoculation and then tap the filter with your finger to dislodge any grains stuck up in there. The moisture sorts itself out nicely while sitting on the shelf after a couple of days.
About to load into the pc:
 
Fresh out of the PC:
 
After a shake:

After a few days:

Spawn run:


Bags:

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