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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Northerner]
    #27722839 - 04/06/22 04:45 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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There's about a million green seed pods on it now, it's no doubt waiting for the cool and dry change in May to open them.  :awesome:




You can send some my way :wink: How are they all looking now?


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #27734624 - 04/14/22 04:31 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I have seedlings of Ipomoea nervosa growing as well as relatives like Stictocardia, which are worth looking into if you like Hawaiian Baby Woodrose (Ipomoea nervosa)

I've found most of the plants I've grown from the genus (over 20 species and numerous varieties) are short day flowering plants that much like Cannabis prefer an uninterrupted night cycle for the best flowering response due to their largely tropical equatorial evolutionary history. I like to grow Ipomoea tricolor indoors for this reason.

Many of the species with larger leaves do well with partial shade and can even flower without full sun once established, including Hawaiian Baby Woodrose.

Right now I am trying to get Ipomoea amnicola established, as well as about a dozen other more common species.

The whole family is just gorgeous and loaded with amazing plants.
Note that I largely use the presently accepted taxonomic names for the plants and both the Hawaiian Baby Woodrose and Snake Plant are considered Ipomoea species but were previously in Argyreia and Rivea/Turbina.

I've been studying the genus and family (privately) for awhile now and am moderately familiar with their history, culture, chemistry and taxonomy.

I find them to be lovely plants.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Northerner]
    #27812147 - 06/09/22 12:01 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Any further updates?


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: ShroomBird]
    #27812162 - 06/09/22 12:06 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

This is tremendously cool.
I love what people do, interested in doing this one day.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: ShroomBird] * 3
    #27813849 - 06/10/22 07:48 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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ShroomBird said:
Any further updates?



Yeah it's huge now. Harvesting seeds.
Freebies available for Aussies.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Griff89] * 1
    #27826473 - 06/18/22 09:53 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Be careful with the seeds. LSA yes. But can nearly kill you..  just my experience and never again.good luck on the grow!





I ALMOST DIED FROM THESE TOO!!  About 3 years ago.  My God, just so you know, NEVER, I mean NEVER eat these seeds after they've been soaked in water or begin to germinate.

OP, I was planting some of these in my own garden, and I had soaked some old HBWR seeds just to see if they were viable to get rid of them.  I had taken them before and had a decent nauseous trip with about 12 seeds a year prior to that.  As I was planting them, I thought: "Hm.  I don't have anything going on today.  I wonder if soaking these seeds took away the nausea causing agent.  This is an opportunity I can't pass up (to learn if it's better soaked).  I wonder if anyone's ever tried this??"  I ate the seeds which were just barely starting to crack open and looked like little brains with their shrivelly leaves barely beginning to unfurl.

I had a very strong trip on 10 seeds, much stronger than before.  I didn't sleep at all the night after, and was super ditzy after that.  Then, progressively about 4 days later (I kid you not), my short term memory became that of an alzheimer's person.  That night, I started gasping for air and my arms and legs went completely numb.  I was pretty sure I was dying.  I went to the hospital, and they thought I smoked too much weed.  I was begging them to put me on oxygen, because I felt like I was suffocating, but my oxygen sats were 99%.  Every time I started feeling sleepy, I felt like I was going to die.  This stayed like this for 3 days, and I was completely unable to remember anything that happened 1 second ago.  My short term memory was nil.  It was so scary.  I halucinated that night that one of my patients (I'm a doctor) who recently died of prostate cancer was waiting in this black limbo between life and death and wanted to have a second chance at life.  He wanted to switch bodies with me, and I was terrified to fall asleep.  My girlfriend nursed me back to health, and it took me a full month to come back to "normal".

That was one of the scariest things I've ever experienced, and worst of all, we thought I had brain damage from the seeds.  After a little googling after my wits came back to me, I learned that HBWR seeds (and all seeds of plants in the rose family), when germinating, break down a protein which has cyanide bound to it.  When a predator eats these seeds, their body will slowly release the cyanide from the protein as the liver breaks down the protein.  This is why there was a latent effect 4 days after the trip.  My symptoms were IDENTICAL to those of someone with cyanide poisoning.  Google it if you think I'm making this up!

OP, and ANYONE ELSE interested in these seeds, should never, ever eat them soaked and/or sprouted.  In fact, I recommend not eating them at all.  The trip is full of nausea, and you may be getting small amounts of cyanide from even dry dormant seeds.  Just stick to mushrooms, cactus, and/or real LSD (not LSA).  Those three won't kill your body, but your ego might be a little loosened after a good ego death and resurrection. :wink:


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Northerner]
    #27826480 - 06/18/22 09:57 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

ShroomBird said:
Any further updates?



Yeah it's huge now. Harvesting seeds.
Freebies available for Aussies.




OP, please read my previous post as a warning.  These are not good to consume, in my opinion.  Please warn anyone you give these seeds to about their potential lethality.  Stay safe, my friend.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Fierce Deity]
    #27828165 - 06/20/22 03:09 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I've not read a report of these being lethal. Yeah it can be awful, it's well known, plants are vicious. Mitigating vasoconstriction is important.




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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Northerner]
    #27828269 - 06/20/22 06:23 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I've not read cyanide poisoning lasting days, from the exposure you described. People often feel like they are dieing, enact that is the main reason I don't like "shamen" or trip sitting anymore because it mostly convincing someone that they were not dieing for 4 or more hours.

Now there is an interesting paper I just read from the academic paper thread about "fermentation of ergotamine alkaloids in germinated seeds of HBWR, Morning Glories, and more." They did not mention the cyanide poisoning, though some of the lysergic compounds that were made where said to be toxic and cause egotism. (IE, vomiting, shitting blood,  and slow symptoms that do not show until a day after ingestion)

Now interestingly enough I also just read an article from the same thread, about ergotamine alkaloids found in plant tissue, and in there they described to not eat any of the sewed pod membrane due to the abundance of the oil associated with vomiting. I did pull out a couple dirty hippie books on halucigenetic plants that did confirm NOT to eat ANY seed pod material for you will get "very sick" it described lol.

If they didn't draw blood and confirm the low O2 and other stuff, how do you know if you had cyanide poisoning? Mind is extremely powerful influence to a trip.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27857842 - 07/10/22 07:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I've not read cyanide poisoning lasting days, from the exposure you described. People often feel like they are dieing, enact that is the main reason I don't like "shamen" or trip sitting anymore because it mostly convincing someone that they were not dieing for 4 or more hours.

Now there is an interesting paper I just read from the academic paper thread about "fermentation of ergotamine alkaloids in germinated seeds of HBWR, Morning Glories, and more." They did not mention the cyanide poisoning, though some of the lysergic compounds that were made where said to be toxic and cause egotism. (IE, vomiting, shitting blood,  and slow symptoms that do not show until a day after ingestion)

Now interestingly enough I also just read an article from the same thread, about ergotamine alkaloids found in plant tissue, and in there they described to not eat any of the sewed pod membrane due to the abundance of the oil associated with vomiting. I did pull out a couple dirty hippie books on halucigenetic plants that did confirm NOT to eat ANY seed pod material for you will get "very sick" it described lol.

If they didn't draw blood and confirm the low O2 and other stuff, how do you know if you had cyanide poisoning? Mind is extremely powerful influence to a trip.




Sorry for such a late reply.  To answer your last question:  I had tripped over 30 times on mushrooms before that experience.  I have never had problems or bad trips before that.  I had even taken HBW seeds on one occasion before that, and had an OKAY trip with nausea. The trip of the particular occasion in question was fine (but full of nausea).  I soaked the seeds for a week in my fridge beforehand.  They were beginning to germinate, and I did not eat the seed coat (I'd heard that about the nausea too.)  It was days later after the trip that my symptoms developed.

Check that link:
https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=7110

I discovered that report on erowid after my alzheimer-like symptoms (I couldn't remember anything I had done even 1 second earlier) (my wife , family, and best friend literally had to babysit me for a week during this part), feeling of impending doom (which lasted days), constantly feeling like I couldn't get oxygen from the air, and difficulty breathing (especially on the verge of sleep) finally went away 3 weeks after the trip ended.  I googled the symptoms of cyanide poisoning, and they were identical to my own.  Believe me or not, I'm just warning people what I experienced.  According to the erowid post, soaking the seeds releases cyanide into the seed, which is what I did.  I thought soaking them would reduce the nausea symtoms, but it did not.  If I can save ONE PERSON from having the experience I had, this message is worth it!  DO NOT EAT THESE SEEDS.  Stick to mushrooms.  And/or grow them in your yard and admire their beautiful flowers.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Fierce Deity]
    #27857872 - 07/10/22 07:46 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I've taken CWE of these seeds multiple times and never had any negative symptoms besides the expected vasoconstriction.

Seems that for some people they are much worse than for others. The safety profile is not the same as classic psychedelics.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Northerner]
    #27857996 - 07/10/22 09:37 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I never had much of a problem when I ate them without being soaked.  It was soaking that caused the problem.  My dosage and everything was the same between the first trip and the second trip.  The time between them was about 4 years.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Fierce Deity]
    #27882178 - 07/29/22 07:32 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I also had a pretty insane experience 10 years ago from HBW and wouldn't recommend it at all, similarly I soaked the seeds and took 15 seeds if my memory is correct plus  very strong marijuana after I thought the trip wasn't going anywhere. Had experience at that point with mushrooms lsd and salvia, and since then ayahuasca and san pedro to compare with.

After a very disorienting hike with a friend, we quickly returned home and at some point I felt like I had to lay down as I was having time distortion greater than anything i had experienced before and a distinct feeling of reality repeating itself over and over again which was freaking me out like I was stuck in a time loop. I laid down, closed my eyes and at some point went to a place where I lost all contact with senses, I could not physically open my eyes as there was no more body anymore, and I had the standard "convinced I am dying/going to hell" feeling.

I got stuck in some plane of existence where I felt as if I was stuck in what i can best describe as a desert, a completely desolate place of nothingness, tormented to roam there, and felt (truly felt the passing of time) like I was stuck there for thousands of years. It shifted between nothingness and my mind trying to make sense of it and feeling like i was a lost nomad in an actual desert, again for thousands of years/lifetimes, repeating the same life over and over again. It sounds silly to write it out, but that was what the experience felt like, years and years of just being stuck with nothing.

I came back to the sensory world after this pretty shattered as a person and chatting with a friend he thought I was totally normal, but I felt like a madman. I was able to put up the appearance of functioning to my roommates, but inside I felt like I had lost total grip and really struggled to integrate this experience over the next month or so. My roommates were stoners/drank a lot, so nothing much seemed off to them, otherwise i am pretty sure i would have been admitted to a psychiatric facility.

So it felt similar enough to what you described that i thought i would chime in, i also wouldn't wish that experience really on anyone, though i feel like i have grown a lot from having gone through it. i am definitely a lot less fearful of life, i can only really relate it to someone who has perhaps been in a "lost in the wilderness" type experience must feel and am very thankful to have my sanity back. I am now a lot more cautious with recommending psychs to people and with using them myself.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: nineallday00]
    #28052082 - 11/15/22 03:45 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I also had a pretty insane experience 10 years ago from HBW and wouldn't recommend it at all, similarly I soaked the seeds and took 15 seeds if my memory is correct plus  very strong marijuana after I thought the trip wasn't going anywhere. Had experience at that point with mushrooms lsd and salvia, and since then ayahuasca and san pedro to compare with.

After a very disorienting hike with a friend, we quickly returned home and at some point I felt like I had to lay down as I was having time distortion greater than anything i had experienced before and a distinct feeling of reality repeating itself over and over again which was freaking me out like I was stuck in a time loop. I laid down, closed my eyes and at some point went to a place where I lost all contact with senses, I could not physically open my eyes as there was no more body anymore, and I had the standard "convinced I am dying/going to hell" feeling.

I got stuck in some plane of existence where I felt as if I was stuck in what i can best describe as a desert, a completely desolate place of nothingness, tormented to roam there, and felt (truly felt the passing of time) like I was stuck there for thousands of years. It shifted between nothingness and my mind trying to make sense of it and feeling like i was a lost nomad in an actual desert, again for thousands of years/lifetimes, repeating the same life over and over again. It sounds silly to write it out, but that was what the experience felt like, years and years of just being stuck with nothing.

I came back to the sensory world after this pretty shattered as a person and chatting with a friend he thought I was totally normal, but I felt like a madman. I was able to put up the appearance of functioning to my roommates, but inside I felt like I had lost total grip and really struggled to integrate this experience over the next month or so. My roommates were stoners/drank a lot, so nothing much seemed off to them, otherwise i am pretty sure i would have been admitted to a psychiatric facility.

So it felt similar enough to what you described that i thought i would chime in, i also wouldn't wish that experience really on anyone, though i feel like i have grown a lot from having gone through it. i am definitely a lot less fearful of life, i can only really relate it to someone who has perhaps been in a "lost in the wilderness" type experience must feel and am very thankful to have my sanity back. I am now a lot more cautious with recommending psychs to people and with using them myself.




I understand the significance of your experience, I’ve had similar bad times on a couple of other substances.. but these seeds do need to be respected, it’s not just a safe pure substance you can over indulge in without a worry.

15 seeds is a LOT… and by the sound of it soaking them really isn’t the go.

I’ve tripped on these many times, and I think the most I’ve ever taken is 12 (never soaked), and that was strong enough for me. Most of the time I’d just crush up 4-6 of them and have the absolute best time ever after getting over the relatively short wave of nausea and uncomfortable vasoconstriction.

A little bit of alcohol and some ibuprofen was always the go to for me if I felt the body load was too much during the come up. Weed is good at relieving these symptoms too, but it clouds the trip up and can make you very confused, which might be good depending on what you like.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Bardy] * 1
    #28052089 - 11/15/22 03:50 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Here’s a few seedlings I’ve just sprouted. They’re loving the weather in FNQ.



Sprouted about 6 days after being soaked and sown and have been growing about 0.5 cm per day, maybe more.


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    #28052166 - 11/15/22 05:24 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Three seedlings are 7ft tall and 30dt long now.



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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Bardy]
    #28052170 - 11/15/22 05:29 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Here’s a few seedlings I’ve just sprouted. They’re loving the weather in FNQ.



Sprouted about 6 days after being soaked and sown and have been growing about 0.5 cm per day, maybe more.



Grows like mad in fnq mate. In a year you'll pull it  off your house.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Northerner]
    #28052180 - 11/15/22 05:42 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

We're same area Bardy, hit me up if you're up for a half day on the weekend. Walk some forest, maybe catch a fish. Chill some tunes or watch the ocean. I'm so easy hey.


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Re: HBWR growers? [Re: Northerner]
    #28052714 - 11/15/22 01:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Three seedlings are 7ft tall and 30dt long now.





Is that only a couple of years old?? That’s mental 😁

Sounds good Northerner 👍 I’ll pm you soon


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    #28053097 - 11/15/22 04:16 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Daylight pic from the other day..




Slow growing according to the internet.


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