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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n]
#27081290 - 12/09/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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karri0n said: Unless I get a flow hood, I don't think I want to mess around with G2G with bags any more. It seems like slapping some silicone on the bag to make a SHIP and using LC is going to be a much simpler process for these bags.
I skip the LC and SHIP and inject an agar wedge directly into the bag then cover the hole with tape.
How's the chicken bag doing?
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: Shu]
#27082110 - 12/10/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Chicken is colonizing the bag super quick. It has covered the whole top. I'd say it's like 60% colonized. I just inoculated the heavy supplemented bag on the left with chicken spawn 24 hours before this photo. The right is the one I inoculated on 11/30
 
The photos are tough to get mycelium detail due to the condensation on the bag, but it's easy to see the colonization when you compare the color difference.
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Edited by karri0n (12/10/20 12:29 PM)
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n]
#27088380 - 12/14/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lookin good so far!
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: hypercubedmt]
#27096319 - 12/18/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Updoot 12/18/2020:
The heavily supplemented Chicken bag has significantly thickened the mycelium at the top, is starting to produce discoloration on the filter patch, and has produced a blobby fruit-like formation out through the "sealed" portion of the bag.

The less supplemented bag has developed some sort of mold. I'm not gonna say it's trich, because I don't know trich from penicillium from 20 other green molds. The Laetiporus mycelium surrounding the mold is very thick, so I believe it's trying to fight the mold. It won't win, this one is trash.

The Hericium, Lion's Mane, bag has started to fruit in various spots. I cut small slits in the bag at some of the larger fruits.
 
The fruits in the bag ain't got nothing on the ones in the oat jar though...

Stay tuned for more wacky adventures folks.
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n]
#27096464 - 12/18/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry to hear about the mold.
Under what conditions are you fruiting the Hericium?
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: IdiotCircusBoy]
#27096614 - 12/18/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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My FC goes between 68-74F and 85-95% humidity.
I don't have an ultrasonic humidifier - this is done with an aquarium heater set to 74 in a shallow tub of water in the Ghetto Martha with the door 33% open and a couple *very* small holes in the top.
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Edited by karri0n (12/18/20 08:28 PM)
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n]
#27104590 - 12/23/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Update:
The Lion's Mane is fruiting and the Chicken looks completely super yellow, just waiting for a pinning trigger.

The Lion's mane has fruited. You can see some in vitro fruits at the top of the bag as well as the ones that I cut holes to allow them to come out.
  
I'm not sure whether these are ready to eat yet. They look pretty dense so I think I will give them another day or two.
 
I have outfitted the chicken bag with a SHIP and I'm going to inject 30ml of chilled sterilized water. This has been used to success to initiate pinning in the study as well as by someone on shroomery. If it doesn't fruit, I will try a cold shock next. I also got a closer pic of the blobbing from the opening of the bag.
 
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n]
#27104776 - 12/23/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice color on the Hericium!!
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: IdiotCircusBoy]
#27107636 - 12/25/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Update:
The fruit-like blobs coming out of the Chicken bag are now definitely true blue fruits.
They aren't huge, but they are still growing, and this bag is only about 1.5lb. Considering this species isn't supposed to work at all indoors, I'm calling this a success and definitely a proof of concept.

I did NOT do a cold water injection. These fruited on their own. I may still do so if the fruits stop growing.
The biggest problem is that they fruited through the bag clip. I don't think I could replicate the conditions since that was supposed to be a seal but wasn't, due to a wrinkle in the bag, debris, or some otherwise unknown variable.
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n]
#27107799 - 12/25/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's really interesting how they're creeping out of the bag and especially that there's no mold. Is that tissue firm like a fruit?
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: Shu]
#27107834 - 12/25/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes. It's totally a fruit, no question about it.
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n]
#27109613 - 12/26/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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karri0n - for your lions mane did you do the substrate to field capacity?
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: IdiotCircusBoy]
#27109753 - 12/26/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I went with less water than I'd call field capacity for coir and cubensis.
The vendor-made substrate felt way too dry to me, but I know people have used it successfully. I did add some water, and ended up making it about halfway between bow I'd make my coir to field capacity and how the vendor sent it. It was 100% by feel though.
I also made up some new substrate today for the chickens and by weight it's 40% water. This I believe is the ideal water content for many of the wood loving gourmets.
By feeling, the confirmed 40% water sawdust feels moist but no matter how hard I squeeze, no water will drip out.
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n] 1
#27112068 - 12/28/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I harvested the lion's mane from the outside of the bag. There are still some good size fruits inside the bag and I will harvest those either at the next flush or if I do not get another flush.
This is what I did:
- Carefully cut at the base of each pompom - Chopped the lion's mane into 1/2" pieces - Cooked up some onions and garlic in butter - added ground beef and cooked until browned - added accent, salt, pepper, onion powder, garlic powder - added lion's mane mushrooms and chopped broccoli - sauteed until broccoli and lion's mane were cooked - added Asian sweet and sour sauce, soy sauce, sugar - mixed with cooked ramen noodles(no sauce packet)
Delicious. This would be better with chopped steak instead of ground beef, and a true Asian stir fry instead of just the onions and broccoli.
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Edited by karri0n (12/28/20 11:11 AM)
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n] 1
#27137668 - 01/09/21 01:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The chicken is now starting to fruit out of the filter patch.
I saw a tiny speck of green on the fruit blob that was growing from the bag, so I harvested the fruit and took that part off.
The consistency is very soft, almost chalky. The scent is familiar but I can't say like what. It definitely does not smell like any mushroom, fungus or mold that i've smelled before.
I tasted a very small bit raw and once again it was familiar but I couldn't put my finger on it.
Here is a photo of the harvested bits. They LOOK really good to me, I just love the orange hues.

I cooked it in butter in a pan. It didn't taste like chicken, or good. It had an acidic flavor and a clay-like consistency. It went in the trash.
It's possible that the fruit was spoiled or couldn't develop properly. I have never eaten this variety so I don't know what to expect in terms of flavor.
The fruit from the filter patch is already darkening more orange than this one did, so maybe that will be better.
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Edited by karri0n (01/09/21 01:43 PM)
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n]
#27138155 - 01/09/21 06:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have 2 cultures in the frig, I'm gonna give it a try.
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: Shu]
#27138330 - 01/09/21 07:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have 2 cultures in the frig, I'm gonna give it a try.
Sweet!
From my results, others on shroomery, and that research study, It seems like chickens are hungry bois and will fruit if you give them enough supplemenation. I personally think they like oats because they went just nuts on my oat based mix, much moreso than I ever expected.
50% grain to 50% sawdust by weight. What worked best for me was hydrating half of the grain with a standard oats tek, and turning half of the grain into flour using a coffee grinder.
You also want 40% moisture content. This is even lower than most other GMM varieties, which already want less than cubensis. I actually did this by feel, making sure it felt moist but no drips could come out no matter how hard I squeezed. I weighed afterwards and found it was at exactly 40.2% water.
I've got to grab a couple more photos, but I have mixed up some more mix for these and set them up in Ziploc twist n locks. I have oriented them in such a way to encourage the mycelium to fruit through a filter on one and through the threads on another.
Fruiting through a filter patch seems to work but the accidental fruiting through the bag makes me want to experiment more with complex paths and the help of gravity. I could see the fruit growing by slowly depositing wet exudate, and I believe the reason it did so was because gravity pulled the water there.
Edited by karri0n (01/09/21 07:45 PM)
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n]
#27167145 - 01/24/21 12:01 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Here's a link to my chicken attempt.
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: Shu]
#27177069 - 01/29/21 09:44 PM (3 years, 17 days ago) |
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Update:
I ran out of chicken grain spawn and used LC to inoculate sawdust, which turned green.
I've got a couple chicken blocks made up but have gone back to agar and will make some new LC for those.

Turkey Tail and Maitake are both colonizing their bags very quickly. I'm gonna try to put a mono in my 55-62 degree cellar to fruit the Maitake.
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Re: Chicken Of The Woods, Hen of The Woods/Maitake, Lion's Mane, Turkey Tail lookalike [Re: karri0n]
#27177279 - 01/30/21 01:16 AM (3 years, 17 days ago) |
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Great write up I'm working on similar lines...just put some Lions main and chicken to sawdust and grain and hope to figure out some stuff its fun learning new stuff... but I've got a lot to figure out.. I'm looking forward to learning plug spawn.. I have tons of turkey tail in my area so that is no prob.. I've been using LC from a vendor and grocery store clones...to agar... I've got black Pearl oyster beech mushroom chicken and white brown and pink oyster and I just got a bag of gold oyster from a friend...its ready to fruit.. the black peril is super aggressive and fun to grow..getting fruiting is my concern now..I've got to figure out fruiting chamber and heat humidity etc.. I just cooked my first bags.. not I got to figure out how to knock them up in a SAB and seal them with out a sealer LOL..
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