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Re: Minimum wood for woodlovers/ coir loving edibles [Re: bw86]
    #27214568 - 02/19/21 09:59 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I think you can count the weight of the grain as supplement, this would be important for shiitake which doesnt like very much supplementation.

which species are you going to try this with?


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Re: Minimum wood for woodlovers/ coir loving edibles [Re: deadmandave]
    #27214714 - 02/19/21 11:18 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

mycetinis scorodonius and oysters will be the first since I have them clean.
I bought 2.5# grain spawn bags from a non sponsor but they all look terrible and will have to go to agar.
Calocybe Indica - on straw pellets
Hypsizygus Tesulattus
Pholiota Adiposa

I would be glad to entertain anything as a candidate.


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Re: Minimum wood for woodlovers/ coir loving edibles [Re: bw86] * 1
    #27543645 - 11/14/21 09:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

As far as cost effectiveness coir is much more expensive making impractical, and saving time by using coir defeats the purpose, if you have to supplement it, it will still contaminate unless sterilized

If you don’t supplement the coir, then lipa’s tek for sawdust is pretty much equivalent in my opinion to bucket tek and works based on the same principles, but it’s more cost effective, both sawdust and coir are low in nitrogen making it difficult for fungi and other microbes to extract any form of energy from

Coir is about 41-50% lignin which is actually the preferred food for wood decaying white rot fungi like oyster and shiitake, and lots of other gourmet and medicinal mushrooms ...the rest of it is about 26 % cellulose and 17 % hemicellulose

Everyone up here saying coir is useless and has no nutritional value is very very ill informed and it’s disheartening to see no one does any research

The ideal carbon to nitrogen ratio for shiitake and oyster is about 50 to 1 ratio

coir is 100/1  carbon/nitrogen ratio the same as wood or sawdust
So there’s no difference there in its ability to be digested, although it’s a good idea to supplement it with additional nitrogen source like rice hulls or wheat bran the same ratio as you would for sawdust

It actually contains more lignin then wood coming in at at 40-50% lignin
Wood is only about 30% lignin so this could be beneficial for certain strains that focus their energy on lignin like amarilla species

Nutrition: Coir contains a useful amount of available potassium, and small quantities of:

Nitrogen
Phosphorous
Calcium
Magnesium
Sulphur
Copper
Zinc
Manganese
Molybdenum
Boron
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Re: Minimum wood for woodlovers/ coir loving edibles ( oh boy here he goes again) [Re: bw86]
    #28169410 - 02/02/23 04:06 PM (11 months, 19 days ago)

Its been a while but im getting back into the swing of things. This project is my main goal. I have to re-read the above posts to absorb what yall told me last time.

I had no luck with the Garlic scented mycena but have some cultures broke out of cold storage that I think would be fun to play with along with.

Apioperdon pyriforme (pear-shaped puffball) and exidia recisa (amber jelly) i'm curious to see what these wild things look like when done on blocks.The ultimate goal is bucket tek wood lovers in monotubs. ( as user friendly as can be)

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the man said:

adding 25% wood to coir may work but its pointless why not 85%wood for better cheaper results?

in short
straw wood are nutrients sources, coir vermiculite and peat(for most part) very little nutrients for mushrooms but add water and are only effective if species will fruit on cased grain for example.  if u are not saving time, money, or gaining yield, whats the point?




This probably sums it up... My thought is that the myc can spread so easily throughout coir that it consumes the entire block faster.
You seem to think it will just spread the contams from the bucket tekted pellets faster. Again i need to re-read and absorb everything above.

ATM this is what i'm thinking
600 grams wood pellet
490 grams wheat bran =(20% dry weight after spawning)
50 grams vermiculite
800 grams water
1 quart Pint Grain spawn
This makes a 5# supplemented spawn bag

Spawned too bucket tek
1 brick of coir (save half for pseudocase)
1 quart of vermiculite ( I like spending money it helps my soil when I compost them and its a great visual aid when the spawn is mixed properly)
1200 grams wood pellet
1600 ml boiling water

This should be two one 56 quart monos around 5inches thick.

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Re: Minimum wood for woodlovers/ coir loving edibles ( oh boy here he goes again) [Re: bw86]
    #28173089 - 02/05/23 08:23 AM (11 months, 16 days ago)

The wheat bran should be 20% of the dry weight (e.g. baker's math 5:1 pellets:bran) not 20% of the total weight of the hydrated sub. Also, a qt. of spawn is an unusually large amount for a 5Lb block, the dry weight of the grain should be subtracted from the bran.


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Re: Minimum wood for woodlovers/ coir loving edibles ( oh boy here he goes again) [Re: Shu]
    #28173230 - 02/05/23 10:20 AM (11 months, 16 days ago)

The bran is 20% of the dry weight not hydrated. I did mean to write 1 pint for inoculation not a quart.
I will subtract the weight of a dry pint of grain from the bran. Good call.

Also that all makes one 5 inch thick 56 quart tub I don't know why I wrote 2.


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Re: Minimum wood for woodlovers/ coir loving edibles ( oh boy here he goes again) [Re: bw86]
    #28173251 - 02/05/23 10:42 AM (11 months, 16 days ago)

490g is 20% of 2450g. Which dry mass weighs 2450g?


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Re: Minimum wood for woodlovers/ coir loving edibles ( oh boy here he goes again) [Re: Shu]
    #28174421 - 02/06/23 06:07 AM (11 months, 15 days ago)

600 grams wood pellet
25 grams vermiculite 
                    from the spawn block
625 grams coir
25 verm
1,200 grams wood
                From the substrate = 2,400  =  480 grams =20%

+/- a few grams of water for the verm.

- (like you said) the pint used to knock it up about (200 grams)

So 290 grams bran would be my 20%

(these were too big -revisedVvV )


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Re: Minimum wood for woodlovers/ coir loving edibles ( oh boy here he goes again) [Re: bw86]
    #28203800 - 02/25/23 10:10 AM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Finally had the time to make some bags. My math was off for the size of bags I can run.
New recipe for 2.75# bags, bags in the PC right meow
300 grams wood
25 verm
230 bran (41%)
800 ml water
After spawning to coir
555(spawn bag + 200g wbs pint)
625 coir
25 verm
1000 wood (10% bran^)

Notes/Species currently out of storage in various stages of growth. IF interested in joining these experiments with my cultures send a pm with some caveats I will send.
dry verm on bottom of spawn bag, Mix bran and HWFP before adding water.
1300 wood (65% total wood)
330 protein
675 filler.



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Re: Minimum wood for woodlovers/ coir loving edibles ( oh boy here he goes again) [Re: bw86] * 1
    #28216371 - 03/05/23 06:40 PM (10 months, 18 days ago)

I have three identical bags of blue oyster to be used as crash test dummies
Recipe for #2.75 bags
300 grams wood
25 verm
230 bran (41%)
700 ml water
#2.725
1- control will fruit as a supplemented sawdust block
2- submerged for 12 hours before fruiting
3- spawned to coir

After spawning to coir
555(spawn bag including 200g wbs pint)
625 coir
25 verm
1 gallon water.

Trial run to see
will hardwood fuel pellets absorb more h20 after 12 hour soak.
will all the extra mass and moister obtained by spawning to coir increase yield?- is it worth it? 

edit- after 20 hours i drained the bag and it gained 60 grams of water. I left it upside down for an hour and it lost 10 grams.

Any real experiment would need to be replicated 10 fold this by no means is an experiment but is meant to paint a picture for me.

edit-I meant for this post to be in my journal since it does not exactly fit into any of the three projects in this thread.
Although the information obtained will lend toward its development. 


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Re: Minimum wood for woodlovers/ coir loving edibles [Re: bw86]
    #28449252 - 08/28/23 12:23 AM (4 months, 29 days ago)

I accidentally grew pink oyster on CVG I mixed up my spawn one time and had half APE and half pink oyster.  They were supposed to be all APE.  Thought it was lipstick mold so threw outside in my compost pile.  A week later they grew.  They were super dense but that was from so much FAE.  But in the end they were decent oysters.  And APEs.


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