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OfflineTyperwritermonky
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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #27136682 - 01/09/21 12:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

4hodmt is right; root powder is most always better and more reliable then extracts.  There seems to be a massive legal market for kava extracts that have next to nothing in them for active ingredients.  Its quite hard to find quality kava extracts.  If you have money, gaia herbs extra strength kava extract is amazing.  Root powder takes time and effort to properly make into tea.

For blue lotus, you want quality flowers from Thailand. The stamens and the yellow inner leaves are the most potent parts.  It works very well smoked and well in a tea.  It compliments kava, a little cannabis, and some tobacco very well.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27171445 - 01/26/21 05:59 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Okay, I got some kavva root powder, no extract. Tried 3g last night and didn't didn't feel much. Just took 4g and I was told redosing is the key so I'm going to try another 4g in 15 minutes.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27171621 - 01/26/21 07:22 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I think 8g is the threshold for kavva root for me.  Felt slight tired sensation but possibly placebo. Gunna try two sets of 8g spaced 15 min apart.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27171864 - 01/26/21 09:23 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I had mild results with 3-6 capsules of Kava, a bit of relaxation and anxiety reduction. A light pleasant feeling, but nothing too significant. Felt like a very mild alcohol buzz. The last time I tried it I wanted to find out if it would be recreational if I pushed the dose so I took something like 12 or 13 capsules, taking 2 at a time over the course of 4 or 5 hours. I was thinking since it's similar in effects to alcohol that I might get a more intense feeling akin to being drunk. But nope. I didn't feel much more than I did with 6 capsules, and then throughout the night and into the next morning I had extreme difficulty urinating. Sooooo suffice to say I'm not gonna do that again.

Maybe I would have had better results had I used good quality kava tea instead of the capsules I got off the shelf from the health food store, but with the stuff I had the light doses weren't anything to write home about and pushing the dose had more negative side effects than positive effects. I'd probably try it again if I knew for sure I had high quality stuff, but it's not high on my to-do list.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: eggopm3]
    #27171952 - 01/26/21 10:21 PM (3 years, 20 days ago)

8g I felt very mild sedation. I can distinguish from placebo but I will try 2 administrations of 10g or 15g dosages to get desirable results.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27172545 - 01/27/21 09:22 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Tried kava kava extract in pills from mybe Germany years ago, they were pretty good, relaxing after taking two. Got some powder from Fiji or somewhere like that and made tea, a bit stronger but pretty much the same to my untrained eye. I really liked it, the numb tingly tongue, ease of muscle tension, a bit more sociable. Sorry can't help source but best bet get from Hawaii or similar.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: MetalSlug]
    #27172569 - 01/27/21 09:31 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

I'm curious if there's an enzyme responsible for making into an active compound like how some people can metabolize codeine in to morphine while others con almost completely lack that ability.

I gave 4g to my GF and she couldn't stand and was saying she felt sick. While I took 16g last night,  8g than waited 10 min and another 8g and felt literally nothing.

Is there any evidence of this? I bought this up in some other discussions where I see some similar circumstances of some people taking god doses and feeling nothing while other people say its a sedative as a full blown opiat or alcohol.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: MetalSlug]
    #27172905 - 01/27/21 12:51 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Its the kavalactones if I remember, the powder maybe has other compounds. I got the feeling that the first few times you try it will have a big effect, and then build a 'tolerance' not sure if right word. I never took a huge dose, but I think after a certain point any more does not do anything. Like saturated the receptors or something.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: MetalSlug]
    #27172953 - 01/27/21 01:16 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

I've definitely not built up a tolerance, first time taking kavva in a month+


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27173419 - 01/27/21 06:57 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

It has a reverse tolerance.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27173429 - 01/27/21 07:02 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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8g I felt very mild sedation. I can distinguish from placebo but I will try 2 administrations of 10g or 15g dosages to get desirable results.




With good kava root powder brewed properly, I would get good effects from 14g in one cup of tea.  How are you brewing it?  Don't use too hot of water.. like 160 or less is best.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27174082 - 01/28/21 06:27 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Not hot, room temp.

Sounds like I need to do 16g doses instead of 8g.


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27174350 - 01/28/21 10:45 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Hello all.

I'm a long time lurker and fairly new shroomery member. I figured I should chime in on this since Kava is something I am very passionate about. I have been a moderate to heavy user of the actual root powder for about 3 years now and tinkered around with the extracts and capsules for a couple years before that. I will try to summarize everything I know and give links to more info.

1. I can tell you hands down that actual root powder, prepared properly, is hands down the best way to use Kava. The first time I did this, I was blown away at the strength. I never felt anything even comparable to this from any extracts or capsules or even instant Kava.
2. Do your research on the history and safety and come to your own reasonable conclusions. Look at actual peer reviewed research papers and not WebMD. Keep in mind that the root(only roots are safe fyi) has been safely used for over 3,000 years in Polynesia and Miconesia.
3. Buy Noble variety Kava from reputable vendors. It is not necessarily cheap, but you want to be safe.
4. A few of the best vendors are https://nakamalathome.com/ , https://www.bulakavahouse.com/ , https://squanchkava.com/ , https://www.getkavafied.com/ , https://kavamamastore.com/
5. You have to buy a proper kava straining bag and learn how to properly prepare it. I prefer the blend and strain method or the traditional kneading in a bag in a bowl method. Use about 30-40 grams(4-5 tablespoons) of traditional/medium grind, noble powder and do two washes of about 12-16 ounces each. There are plenty of videos on this. I blend for about 3 minutes each wash or knead for about 5-7 minutes each wash. Make sure to filter well! Combine washes for even potency. Drink about 4-6 ounces every 20-30 minutes until you reach as "kavafied" as you want to get. Be careful. Getting the spins or way overly intoxicated is very possible. I know this is hard to believe if all you have had are capsules, but trust me. Sometimes reverse tolerance does come into play so be patient and try it a few days in a row. When it finally hits, you will be astonished.
6. There is a very rich history, culture, and current community surrounding kava use and ceremony. I would dare say as much or more so than shroomery/psychedelics. Check out kavaforums.com or a Facebook page or two.
7. Kava completely revolutionized my mental health and helped me completely quit drinking alcohol. It is a far superior substance, without addictive potential. Hangovers are rare and nowhere near what alcohol or other drugs can cause.
8. I am no doctor so am not making any recommendations of use, but am sharing what I personally do.
9. For me, the only side effects are occasional nausea(drink on mostly empty stomach), dehydration(Kava is a strong diuretic), and dry skin(research this).
10. Unfortunately Kava is illegal in several countries(for bullshit reasons), but surprisingly completely legal in backwards ass USA lol. We even have Kava bars in several cities.
11.Other links:

https://kavasociety.nz/ , https://www.reddit.com/r/Kava/ , https://blog.bulakavahouse.com/2015/01/14/kava-preparation/

12. Good luck, do your research, and be safe!


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Re: Kavva recommendations [Re: KabeDardee]
    #27174573 - 01/28/21 01:01 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Ah, do you need a bunch to feel it. I'll try 30g tonight when I get home.


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