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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27149616 - 01/15/21 11:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Warning: a less pleasant side of Creation:



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Cordylobia anthropophaga, the mango fly, tumbu fly, tumba fly, putzi fly, or skin maggot fly, is a species of blow-fly common in East and Central Africa. It is a parasite of large mammals (including humans) during its larval stage.[1] C. anthropophaga has been endemic in the subtropics of Africa for more than 135 years and is a common cause of myiasis in humans in the region.[2]

Its specific epithet anthropophaga derives from the Greek word anthropophagos, "human eater".

    The mode of infection by the Cayor Worm. Doctors Rodhain and Bequaert conclude, from their observations in the Congo Free State, that Cordylobia anthropophaga lays its eggs on the ground. The larvae, known generally as Cayor Worms, crawl over the soil until they come in contact with a mammal, penetrate the skin and lie in the subcutaneous tissue, causing the formation of tumors. On reaching full growth, the larvae leave the host, fall to the ground, bury themselves and then pupate. This fly is said to be the most common cause of human or animal myiasis in tropical Africa, from Senegal to Natal. In the region of Lower Katanga where these investigations were made, dogs appeared to be the principal hosts, although Cordylobia larvae were found also in guinea-pigs, a monkey, and two humans. The larvae are always localized on those parts of the hosts which come in immediate contact with the soil."

        — Ann. Soc. Entom. de Belgique, Iv, pp. 192–197, 1911) summary translation in Entomological News. 1911 Vol. xxii:467.





Why?

Why does God allow for this to exist?

How do mango worms fit into your understanding of the Divine Universe?

Why do they not inhabit mangoes, or at least, the dead?

Why do they not clean out existing wounds but create new ones, to feast?

Please explain it as you see it.

Opinions differ so, lets hear yours.


We have God :angel: and we have the Mango Fly.


Why?




Because we live in a fallen/corrupt# world/universe (# = not like bad cops, but like a corrupted computer file)

Most people will know what the Bible says about the garden of eden and why man was thrown out.  I'd say that most pain/suffering/mango fly's/what's wrong in this life is because of the result of sin and it's effect on life.  This sin (and it's effect) is like a virus in a computer or cancer in a human body.  Now as for God and what he is or isn't capable of,  I believe that God is all powerful and that as the Bible says, that he has made absolutely EVERYTHING.  Nothing that exists, be it visible/invisible or physical/spiritual exists unless God made/created it.  I believe that He also knows the beginning from the end and that he can interact with his creation (but for the most part he doesn't, for a reason).

The main reason why he doesn't just jump in and squash these mango flys/worms is because, as I said before, we live in a fallen world (and we are (for now) separated from God too).  Like it or not?, God is working through this fallen world towards an end goal (the restoration of all things which includes a new heaven and a earth), and as most of you know the Bible says that a day is coming where pain and suffering will end too.

Remember the Prodigal son?

The father let the son leave.  I think in the same way, that God has allowed man to leave and go on without him, and out of respect for their choice/heart's desire (apple incident), he leaves mankind alone (to a degree/for the most part).

Another thing, any of you that play computer games will know that you generally get to set the difficulty level.  Well with life it just is, sometimes it's easy, sometimes it's hard, sometimes it's unbelievably hard, but again, I believe it's because of sin/fallen world/ and the loss of what we had (as humans) in the perfect garden.  We are truly cursed and in the cold now!!

Also, I wonder if this problem could be solved by mankind?  Surly, if the world got together to rid the world of these mango fly's we probably could, but NO, mankind is too busy making money and getting fat from over indulgence, treating each other like utter crap and killing each other!!

Lastly, as painful as this life may be,  I believe that when all is said and done, that God will pull us(*) close and we will finally feel the embrace of his hug.  Had God created us (with out all this crap) then we truly wouldn't know/experience God's love.  Just like you don't truly know warmth until you come out of the cold :thumbup:


(*) Those that receive the truth (spiritual food).

Btw, if you disagree with my views then that's totally cool :thumbup:,  Im just saying what I believe.  I don't want to (and won't) get into all sorts of arguments that ultimately achieve nothing.


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: blessed]
    #27149629 - 01/15/21 11:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yea man, Blessed said it all


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Asante]
    #27150893 - 01/16/21 04:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I admire the story of Job.:heart:

"Sometimes in life, WE have to suffer deceit and unrighteousness for the sake of peace and goodness."


But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
“He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.” When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.1 Peter 2:20-24


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Asante]
    #27152112 - 01/16/21 08:17 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

I often wonder while traveling through the universe, why or how some things happen so much out of the ordinary in almost true synchronicity like prefixation,s but obliteration and peace and love, like perfect partners but with three people and one with the wind.
and all know it will never happen again! again and again


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: blessed]
    #27154271 - 01/17/21 08:59 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

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The father let the son leave.  I think in the same way, that God has allowed man to leave and go on without him, and out of respect for their choice/heart's desire (apple incident), he leaves mankind alone (to a degree/for the most part).





So then you don't believe in the Bible? Because as I said above, he in no way just allowed us leave and go about our business after the Garden. It was intervention after intervention to punish us.


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: pacmanbreed]
    #27154280 - 01/17/21 09:06 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

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I admire the story of Job.:heart:

"Sometimes in life, WE have to suffer deceit and unrighteousness for the sake of peace and goodness."


But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
“He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.” When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.1 Peter 2:20-24





Why? He was subjected to horror over a bet with the devil. Why should the object of your adoration be treated with such deceit and unrighteousness for worshipping you? Anything to justify this is like lipstick on a pig.


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: yeah]
    #27154437 - 01/17/21 11:12 PM (3 years, 29 days ago)

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yeah said:
Physical reality is a halfway point between the lower and upper realms
as such it has the capacity to manifest both polarities




This is still the brass ring here IMHO.

Great thread and discussion, Shroomies!

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Yellow Pants said:
Clearly god is not purely empathetic and instead contains other qualities and purposes.  Despite whatever the Christian might say

I mean there’s no reason to specifically associate god with the empathetic.  As far as I can understand.  It could be kinetic for example, just pure movement and reality going here and there for the ride.




Don't forget half the error is humans extrapolating their own qualities onto, what for all intents and purposes, is a metaphysical/epistemological strawman.

You do a good job of not assuming empathy here, which is a foot in the right direction IMHO.

I'd honestly say the universe is most likely amoral, with humans being the active balancing act between the polarities of positive and negative.


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 2
    #27154703 - 01/18/21 04:44 AM (3 years, 29 days ago)

Its All to teach us to become One again, by that One that always was and always will be.

God is the hand tha Heals and the hand that Harms, the hand that Gives and the hand that Takes away.





there is nothing but that One, and we're all subdivisions of that One.

Its all you.

Everything must be, not just for its own sake but for all its consequences, which is the anything and all.

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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Asante]
    #27155059 - 01/18/21 09:49 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

What if the true balance is also things you find unbelievably awful.

Doesn't mean God doesn't exist, it just means its not exactly what you think it would be.

For some pain is pleasure, who dictates what god truly wants or is?

Maybe this is hell; or God's heaven.


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #27155640 - 01/18/21 02:41 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

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Why? He was subjected to horror over a bet with the devil. Why should the object of your adoration be treated with such deceit and unrighteousness for worshipping



Quote:

Asante said:
God is the hand that Heals and the hand that Harms, the hand that Gives and the hand that Takes away.



:cookiemonster:

I was onto something, focusing in the temporal(financial) then had a hard crash that I realize this.

"Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first." -Rev 2:4


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
    #27156378 - 01/18/21 09:56 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

In spite of what it may have sounded like above, I mostly agree (in degrees) with what many of you said.

For me, I have recurring imagery/ideas about some ideal center, a perfectly balanced point in the middle of all of these competing forces and polarities. Often, it seem in conjunction about ideas where things are taken for what they are with a view for opportunity. We now have research that shows that this is a key component of those who are self-professed "lucky" people.

Judaism and Christianity both use the idea of an all powerful God with all knowing, perfect plan that must have faith in. Buddhism uses logic, reason, practice and experience - with an emphasis toward eliminating desire for outcomes and an even larger one on kindness. Both cultivate a view where things are what they are and you hopefully roll with the punches and successes, letting neither high nor low corrupt your thoughts and actions. A place where through the worst, you remain the happy, kind, and willing to help person you should strive to be.

I can sort of see Judaism/Christianity as an additive method, where adjunctive overview is taught in way to achieve it and Buddhism is the subtractive method, where reality and psychology are deconstructed to do it.


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #27156627 - 01/19/21 02:14 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

What most religious people just don't get is that:



GOD:




ALSO GOD:



Only if you see God in the Light and the Dark, in the excrement as much as in the food, are you beginning to start to understand Him.


Guys, I'm sick.

I potentially got COVID, the disease that killed my aunt, that I was warned for in 2019 to prepare for. Today, hopefully, a antigen test will arrive and 15 minutes later I will know whether it is covid.

But whether or not its COVID, whether or not I die this month, it will be Gods Will and Gods Will Alone.

I ask him to let me live but will follow Him into death, even in the days left to the month.

That's Faith.

That's a personal relationship with God, seeing Him not just in the beauty but also in the ugliness of life.

We remove the mango worms from the dog with freat care, by God's Will, but never forget that it was God too who, with great care, put the Mango Worms into the dog, and the Covid into my aunt, who died, and possibly, put the COVID in me.

So here's to the shade side of God as I await my covid test to see whether he put Covid into me.






And yet, that God of All Things, is MY God and I :hug:  Him and :heart: Him like He :nicekitty: me.






...Just saw the courier delivering my Covid test is on his way now.


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Asante]
    #27156696 - 01/19/21 03:36 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

My God is a God of goodness/kindness :datass:


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    #27156716 - 01/19/21 04:09 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

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My God is a God of goodness/kindness :datass:





Isn't your God the God of All Things?

You can't have the sweet without the bitter.

Zyklon B, the Auschwitz gas chamber gas, smelled of bitter almonds and was made of the sugar beet pulp of the Reich.

So, there was equivalency between the Reich's sugar and the Reich's gas chamber gas.

A child gassed in Auschwitz while sucking on a saved candy for the last moment, experienced the reunification of two products of the same sugar beet harvest.

The Gold and Silver finger of God, the High Road and the Low Road.


If your God is not the God of All Things, mango worms and all, he is but an angel, an emission of the All-Encompassing One.


Within 2 hours I will know whether I have Covid.


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    #27156840 - 01/19/21 06:26 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Alright, keep us updated


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    #27156922 - 01/19/21 07:30 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

COVID ANTIGEN TEST: Negative :cheer:




I guess, in the past few weeks I had gotten 3 kinds of antibiortics to treat an infected leg wound, this caused my immune system to be out of whack so that a flu or similar snuck in and hit me extraordinarily hard.

No if's, no buts - No Covid.

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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: yeah]
    #27157020 - 01/19/21 08:38 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Why should God value humans above his other creations? We are all one. I am that worm as he is me. There can be no experience of good without bad. Without hunger, there is no satiation. Without pain, we would be careless with our bodies. Existence depends on duality. Life depends on death.


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    #27158555 - 01/20/21 12:04 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

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Why should God value humans above his other creations? We are all one. I am that worm as he is me. There can be no experience of good without bad. Without hunger, there is no satiation. Without pain, we would be careless with our bodies. Existence depends on duality. Life depends on death.




Your sentiment is pure and correct, but you're conflating opposites with corollaries here, my friend. This is extremely common and not a sleight on you at all. That doesn't diminish the purity of your intention and understanding of unity at the highest levels, just the rational end betrays all the good of what you're actually saying here.


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    #27159437 - 01/20/21 12:11 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

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Why should God value humans above his other creations? We are all one. I am that worm as he is me. There can be no experience of good without bad. Without hunger, there is no satiation. Without pain, we would be careless with our bodies. Existence depends on duality. Life depends on death.




Your sentiment is pure and correct, but you're conflating opposites with corollaries here, my friend. This is extremely common and not a sleight on you at all. That doesn't diminish the purity of your intention and understanding of unity at the highest levels, just the rational
end betrays all the good of what you're actually saying here.




I really want to understand what you are saying but I don’t really. Conflating opposites? You mean the dualities inherent in our existence like life and death happiness and sadness etc.? And saying that they are not opposites but rather corollaries? Very interesting ideas but I am not sure what you mean. Could you elaborate? I see duality as the whole reason we are here in the first place. Frankly I understood what you agreed with of course but I don’t understand what you disagree with.


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Re: If you believe there is a God, please explain this as best you can. [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27159770 - 01/20/21 03:13 PM (3 years, 26 days ago)

great thoughts and insight.

whether in happiness or sadness it all leads US to Joy.

“There is no path to happiness. Happiness is the path.”
“A disciplined mind brings happiness.”
-buddha

I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.

Not only that, but WE rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance
-(Paul)

thru duality(spirit of creation) We learn, principles(fundamental truth) of existence depends on non-duality. Life is not fully dependent on death,
There is only LIFE. existence without end or death being lived with its eternal purpose. TO LOVE :heart:


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