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    #2715382 - 05/22/04 07:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I am using the san pedro extraction for dummies off of erowid. I fucked up on step 2 and forgot to make my syrup acidic before adding xylene. So now presumably all the alkoloids are in the xylene. I was thinking about taking the xylene out acidifying the syrup then adding the same xylene back in hopes of return the mescaline back to salt. Will this work or should I just toss and chalk up to trial and error?


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2715437 - 05/22/04 07:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

shake well, but avoid emulsions, allow to separate remove and save the water layer in a separate container.

To the xylene now add acid and mix thoroughly for atleast 3 minutes, allow the layers to separate save the water layer. Repeat this atleast one more time. You can acidify the water you saved earlier and use it for a 3rd extraction from the xylene.

Combine all aqeuos(water) layers. And proceed with the rest of your extraction.


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2715448 - 05/22/04 07:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Thank You!


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2728694 - 05/25/04 06:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well, this is all done and over with. I used citric acid so I know alot of that came back once evaporated. The end result was 3 grams of powder, off of 1 pint of syrup. Which should work out to about 3 doses at 1 gram per dose. In my understanding shouldn't you only need about 1/3 of that amount. Any tips for next time? Maybe a different acid?


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2728732 - 05/25/04 06:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Tips for next time:

Use pH paper.
Recrystallize so you don't have left over acid in your final mix.

Regarding your 3grams, how much of that is acid? If you don't know or can't figure it out, then you're going to have a hard time dosing out your powder.


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2729514 - 05/25/04 09:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I did use pH paper. I however was unfamiliar with proper usage of the term equimolar (i.e. not sure of citric acid molarity compared to alkaloid molarity), so I used the backup plan which was outlined in the extraction for dummies. Which was, to add citric acid to water until the solution was barely acidic (obviously I used a touch to much). Based on the assumption that my catus was approx .010% alkaloid content I figured there would be about 1200 mgs. So I can dose the powder fairly confidently. My main concerns about the large amount of crystal will probably be solved after I read your link about 3 or 4 times (things that complicated usually take a minute to click in my head).


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Edited by HaveABeer420 (05/26/04 12:14 AM)


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2729592 - 05/25/04 10:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

did you find this procedure to be difficult? i was thinking of possibly giving it a go, but am unsure about the level of difficulty. how much cacti did you use? also, after you dose up, let us know how the potency was...and if it was worth it.


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2729641 - 05/25/04 10:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

This was some pretty beginner stuff (compared to other teks I read). I used a three foot cutting of pedro. As for dosing...that'll have to wait for the weekend! *grins with anticipation*


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Re: Oops [Re: Psilostylin]
    #2729669 - 05/25/04 10:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'd say most extractions are relatively easy if you're good at following instructions. Most people run into problems from being impatient or misreading the tek.


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2729746 - 05/25/04 10:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

cool....i may have to check it out.

thanks.
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Re: Oops [Re: Psilostylin]
    #2730158 - 05/25/04 11:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

so what end product did you get... weight wise


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2730210 - 05/26/04 12:11 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

3 grams, but I suspect approx 1.8 grams is actually citric acid. This is however only an estimate based on guessture of alkaloid content of my Pedro.


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2730584 - 05/26/04 01:51 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

equimolar just means one to one. Molarity standardizes solutions, so if you have a 1M solution of HCl and a 1M solution of NaOH you have a 1 to 1 ratio of H+ to OH- ions, because a mole is always avogadro's number (6.22x10^23).

Even still it'd be hard to get an exact molar ratio since .010% is still differen tin each cactus (your mileage may vary type of thing), so that's why recrystallization is best last step.

The goal with the recrystallization is something that will dissolve the citric acid but not the mescaline, or vice versa, then you dissolve both in the solvent when heating it, and since either mescaline or the citric acid isn't soluble in the solvent, as it cools the mescaline or the citric acid will crystallize out (you'll get nice needle crystals if you cool slow enough), then you can collect either one you wish by filtration and recovery.

Typo: 6.022 not 6.22


Edited by neuro (05/31/04 02:49 PM)


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2733428 - 05/26/04 06:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

isnt the end product supposed to be significantly more in weight?


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2733664 - 05/26/04 07:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Not based on the length of cutting i was extracting from.


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2747778 - 05/30/04 09:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Back to the drawing board. What I thought was approx. 3 doses turned out to be one. Oh well, live and learn, think I need to mix better next time. Guess I'll retire to the vaults to do some more reading.


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Re: Oops [Re: HaveABeer420]
    #2747784 - 05/30/04 10:00 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

or more practice.. get more cacti try again.


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Re: Oops [Re: neuro]
    #2748780 - 05/31/04 03:20 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Is avogadro's number really 6.22x10^23? My chemistry teacher told our class it was 6.02x10^23. I trust you much more though.... My teacher is so lazy, he just gives us a bunch of bookwork to do then plays Yahoo pool.


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Re: Oops [Re: PinballWizard]
    #2748793 - 05/31/04 03:23 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Avogadro's Constant = 6.02214199 ? 10^23


Edited by zeta (05/31/04 03:23 AM)


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Re: Oops [Re: neuro]
    #2749099 - 05/31/04 05:35 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

neuro said:
or more practice.. get more cacti try again.




Fuckin A!


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