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Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll.
    #27152343 - 01/17/21 12:21 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Trump is certainly about to drop some pardons before leaving office Wednesday morning.
Who will Trump pardon?
You may choose many
Steve Bannon
Rudy Guiliani
Sydney Powell/Lin Wood
Cabinet Members
Members of Congress
Ghislain Maxwell
Alan Derschowitz
Law Enforcement Officers
Foreigners
Trump Org Officials
Family Members
Specific Capitol Rioters
All the Capitol Rioters
Himself
Anyone who isn’t famous sitting in prison on drug charges


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27152918 - 01/17/21 10:01 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

A former CIA officer just went on record that Trump is offering pardons via his minions for $$$$$.

Big suprise.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27152984 - 01/17/21 10:41 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

I bet he’ll pardon rioters based on how classy they look in their FBI photos


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods] * 1
    #27153018 - 01/17/21 11:01 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

I would like to see him pardon assange and snowden but not expecting it to happen.

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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27153041 - 01/17/21 11:16 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Oh yeah I forgot a few people. I don’t think he cares about Assange. Assange isn’t on TV


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27154832 - 01/18/21 09:17 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Here’s a question: Why is Assange fighting extradition?



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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27154840 - 01/18/21 09:23 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

It's going to be a wild list. They are saying 100+.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: christopera] * 1
    #27154848 - 01/18/21 09:27 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Just for comparisons sake, Obama pardoned 212 and granted clemency to roughly 1,700.

This article is from November, so it's a bit outdated I would think, but it has a nice chart; https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/24/so-far-trump-has-granted-clemency-less-frequently-than-any-president-in-modern-history/


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: christopera]
    #27154888 - 01/18/21 10:00 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Trump has only pardoned a couple regular citizens, everyone else is a political ally, friends and famous people who he’s seen on TV


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: christopera]
    #27154966 - 01/18/21 10:59 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Looks like the legal eagles have said that its not the pardon in itself, it is the mode in which they are being granted, the pardon manuvers themselves inply criminality of the president.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27155005 - 01/18/21 11:18 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Some of these pardons May reveal criminal activity we didn’t even know about


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27155079 - 01/18/21 12:10 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

If he doesn't pardon Assange, Snowden, and Ross Ulbricht, then it's all moot, and Trump will have missed his chance to do some good in his final days.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: chopstick]
    #27155116 - 01/18/21 12:34 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Ross Ulbricht deserves no pardon. He got rich selling whatever he could to the worst kind of drug dealers and criminals. Total scum.

If Assange gets a pardon, it’s because Trump is cleaning up loose ends. Assange’s utility to Trump ended when he was arrested. You don’t think trump had to approve the move to pressure equador to kick him out?

Snowden should stand trial for stealing documents.

How about people we never heard of. Trump only cares about pardoning famous people.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27155150 - 01/18/21 12:57 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Ross Ulbricht deserves no pardon. He got rich selling whatever he could to the worst kind of drug dealers and criminals. Total scum.




Not to mention he hired an assassin to murder someone who was attempting to blackmail him (ironically, turns out the "assassin" he hired was probably just a blackmailer).


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27155155 - 01/18/21 01:00 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Jesus Christ. Of course you guys wouldn't like Ross. And by the way, him "hiring an assassin" turned out to be totally false. The prosecutors threw that in there knowing that they couldn't prove it entirely so they could label him as a murderer and justify a life sentence.

Problem is, it wasn't true. Ross never hired anyone to kill anyone. They lied, and now you're perpetuating that lie.

But honestly I would expect nothing less from the two of you.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: chopstick]
    #27155176 - 01/18/21 01:10 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Of course you guys wouldn't like Ross.



I wouldn't say that... I mean, it's not a super black-and-white situation for me.

I like the idea of a free, decentralized market on the internet, which is what he was trying to accomplish.

What I don't like was the lack of moderation that went down on the silk road, leading to a lot of morally questionable activity.

I also think the fact that he's serving a double life sentence is a bit excessive. He was practically a child when he was arrested.

See? My position isn't so black and white. I wouldn't just say that I "don't like Ross". There's a lot more nuance to my position.

Like I said, the double life sentence is pretty excessive. But... worthy of a pardon? No way. He's not innocent.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: chopstick]
    #27155205 - 01/18/21 01:23 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Ross Ulbricht sold unregistered guns and believed he was hiring a hit man to kill an enemy. That he was talking to a an FBI instead agent doesn't change his guilt. It just means he was a fool. Maybe his sentence is too long and should be reduced, IDK. But he was guilty of very dangerous crimes and deserved incarceration. That he was also selling hard drugs makes him a hero figure to many here.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27155244 - 01/18/21 01:42 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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and believed he was hiring a hit man to kill an enemy. That he was talking to a an FBI instead agent doesn't change his guilt.



From my understanding of the story, the "hitman" he was talking to wasn't FBI, either. It was a scam artist. I might have been misinformed, though.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27155275 - 01/18/21 01:56 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Yes, I think you're right. I can't find the sources I looked at a year or two ago. But the scam hitman cooperated with some three letter agency and was a central part of the prosecution.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27155278 - 01/18/21 01:58 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

https://freeross.org/false-allegations/


From the link:

Prosecutors used unproven, unprosecuted allegations of planning murder-for-hire that never actually occurred to deny Ross bail, smear him in the media, bias his jurors, and justify the draconian sentence he ultimately received.

The allegations were never charged at trial and relied on anonymous chats that were never proven to have been authored by Ross. Ross always denied the allegations and those who know him never believed them. Left untouched for years in a separate indictment, the only allegation ever filed was finally dismissed with prejudice by the District of Maryland on July 20, 2018.

“It’s good that the charges have been dropped, but the government’s careless use of them as a media weapon to destroy Ulbricht’s reputation…ha[s] alas already done [its] damage.”
– Brian Doherty, Reason Magazine.



I honestly can't fucking believe that on the Shroomery, of all places we have people here who blindly believed the Lies they were told about Ross Ulbricht and even now are engaged in smearing his character.

You people should be ashamed of yourselves.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: chopstick]
    #27155296 - 01/18/21 02:04 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Jesus Christ. Of course you guys wouldn't like Ross. And by the way, him "hiring an assassin" turned out to be totally false. The prosecutors threw that in there knowing that they couldn't prove it entirely so they could label him as a murderer and justify a life sentence.

Problem is, it wasn't true. Ross never hired anyone to kill anyone. They lied, and now you're perpetuating that lie.

But honestly I would expect nothing less from the two of you.




He sold massive amounts of unregulated drugs. I’m sure many many people died using drugs sold on his marketplace. Dealers bought drugs like fentanyl to cut their heroin. And he did it to get rich. There’s nothing honorable about what he was doing.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27155313 - 01/18/21 02:11 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

I don't mind him selling unregulated drugs, that's a personal choice. The fact that he supplied unscrupulous dealers is the dealer's problem, not his.

The guns and attempted murder for hire is why he should stay in prison.


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    #27155833 - 01/18/21 06:21 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Think of the sickest most Nationalistic Nazi Scumbag rapist and murderer sociopaths... That's who he's going to pardon, and that's the people he has pardoned. It is absolutely disgusting, and absolutely disgusting that there are so many Authoritarians out there, or delusional people who think Trump is protecting them from a pedophile Government. This is why we need to legalize psychedelics... Mental illness is rampant in this country.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27156078 - 01/18/21 08:30 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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He sold massive amounts of unregulated drugs. I’m sure many many people died using drugs sold on his marketplace. Dealers bought drugs like fentanyl to cut their heroin. And he did it to get rich. There’s nothing honorable about what he was doing.




Do you really think all drug sellers should be imprisoned? I heard people sold shrooms on the silk road too. What monsters! If anything,The silk road featured user reviews of vendors, making it easier to get unadulterated drugs than on the street.


Also I'm pretty positive that weapons weren't allowed on the silk road. He wasn't charged with anything weapons related.

I'm not saying he should be pardoned but I can't see any reason for a double life sentence other than to make an example of him to show to others who would actively oppose the war on drugs.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: zoidbergo] * 1
    #27156132 - 01/18/21 08:57 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

He was made an example. He created a way for mass importation fentanyl. His actions helped create the opioid epidemic. He did it too get rich. Fuck greedy assholes.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: chopstick]
    #27156183 - 01/18/21 09:33 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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https://freeross.org/false-allegations/


From the link:

Prosecutors used unproven, unprosecuted allegations of planning murder-for-hire that never actually occurred to deny Ross bail, smear him in the media, bias his jurors, and justify the draconian sentence he ultimately received.

The allegations were never charged at trial and relied on anonymous chats that were never proven to have been authored by Ross. Ross always denied the allegations and those who know him never believed them. Left untouched for years in a separate indictment, the only allegation ever filed was finally dismissed with prejudice by the District of Maryland on July 20, 2018.

“It’s good that the charges have been dropped, but the government’s careless use of them as a media weapon to destroy Ulbricht’s reputation…ha[s] alas already done [its] damage.”
– Brian Doherty, Reason Magazine.



I honestly can't fucking believe that on the Shroomery, of all places we have people here who blindly believed the Lies they were told about Ross Ulbricht and even now are engaged in smearing his character.

You people should be ashamed of yourselves.





No matter my position on drugs, Ross absolutely broke numerous laws.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: chopstick]
    #27156547 - 01/19/21 02:34 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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The allegations were never charged at trial and relied on anonymous chats that were never proven to have been authored by Ross. Ross always denied the allegations and those who know him never believed them.




Sure, these anonymous chats were never proven to have been authored by Ross, but do we have any other suspects? Like really, who else would it have been, and why haven't they been prosecuted?

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I honestly can't fucking believe that on the Shroomery, of all places we have people here who blindly believed the Lies they were told about Ross Ulbricht and even now are engaged in smearing his character.




I'm not smearing his character, dude. He clearly made some bad choices. To me, he just looked like a kid who got involved in something that was too big for him to handle, and it blew up in his face. I don't think he's a force of evil or anything like that. I think he made some pretty serious mistakes and he has to deal with the consequences.

I understand why it's easy for you to feel sympathetic towards Ulbricht, considering that this is a discussion board mostly dedicated to the discussion of psilocybin mushrooms. However, there was a lot more going on with the whole Silk Road operation than just drug sales, and I don't think things are so simple in this situation.

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You people should be ashamed of yourselves.



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    #27156549 - 01/19/21 02:35 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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This is why we need to legalize psychedelics... Mental illness is rampant in this country.



Psychedelics have the potential to exacerbate mental illness.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27157046 - 01/19/21 11:03 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Legalizing for use under a doctors supervision is still legalization. Perhaps that’s the type of legalization STP was asking for?


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27157054 - 01/19/21 11:07 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Ross got sloppy as fuck. He should exit scammed like an adult and moved on.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: christopera] * 1
    #27157327 - 01/19/21 01:52 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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No matter my position on drugs, Ross absolutely broke numerous laws.




Be honest with yourself, you're only taking this position because it's coming from me.

Ross should have done 5-10 years tops. Even that could be argued as excessive if you see the drug war as an irreversible failure as I do.

As for kood's argument relating fentanyl, that stuff was coming into the country anyway. Ross's website made little to no difference there. And somehow it's still around even though Ross is imprisoned. Hmm, I wonder why that is?


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27157509 - 01/19/21 03:29 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Looks like the Tiger King is up for consideration of a pardon. You know, him and lil Wayne are important to Trump for obviuos reasons.


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    #27157788 - 01/19/21 06:23 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: Patlal]
    #27158183 - 01/19/21 09:32 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

No pardons for anyone would be such a trump way to end this clown show


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27158186 - 01/19/21 09:35 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I am surprised on the lack of pardons, namely himself, and his kids. Makes me speculate about unoffical talks with the Biden admin


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: chopstick]
    #27158195 - 01/19/21 09:39 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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No matter my position on drugs, Ross absolutely broke numerous laws.




Be honest with yourself, you're only taking this position because it's coming from me.

Ross should have done 5-10 years tops. Even that could be argued as excessive if you see the drug war as an irreversible failure as I do.

As for kood's argument relating fentanyl, that stuff was coming into the country anyway. Ross's website made little to no difference there. And somehow it's still around even though Ross is imprisoned. Hmm, I wonder why that is?




No where did I mention his sentencing. You are just talking to hear yourself talk.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: christopera]
    #27158219 - 01/19/21 09:49 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Meh, seems like he's pardoning everyone with money in Florida.

Building up a defensive circle around Mar-a-Lago.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: Kryptos]
    #27158221 - 01/19/21 09:51 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Rich old white people trying to defend Mar-a-lago against nobody sounds pretty hilarious.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: christopera] * 1
    #27158223 - 01/19/21 09:54 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

The calavry will consist of golf carts  full of blue gray haried Karens.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27158487 - 01/20/21 12:49 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Bannon just got a pardon.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27158513 - 01/20/21 01:16 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

What a dud. I wanted to be outraged one last time.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27158549 - 01/20/21 01:57 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

You still have about 1o hours to view Trumps White House webpage.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27159324 - 01/20/21 01:17 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I got no problem with Lil Wayne.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27159328 - 01/20/21 01:18 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Except Trump probably thought he was pardoning Jimmy Carter.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27159330 - 01/20/21 01:19 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

You know he signed a pardon for himself and just put it on his pocket.


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27159332 - 01/20/21 01:19 PM (1 month, 5 days ago)

Joe exotic probably spent the night on suicide watch


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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
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Re: Who is Trump going to pardon? Take the poll. [Re: koods]
    #27162133 - 01/21/21 08:39 PM (1 month, 4 days ago)

I feel for Joe Exotic.  All one feels of mine.


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