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 Re: Trump Was Bad  [Re: Rose]
#27155777 - 01/18/21 05:52 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Okay I'll give you that, Trump was a dumbass and his rhetoric was divisive at times.
But he still killed less people than Obama, and he definitely killed WAY less than GWB. So if we're talking purely in terms of the number of war crimes committed under his leadership, Trump was better than both of them.
And at the end of the day it's the actions that a person should be judged by rather than their words.
If you ignore the 400k+ dead Americans.
But y’all’s team never was good at gauging crowd size.
Highest mortality rate ever recorded in modern times. Nearly 10 per 100,000.
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Re: Trump Was Bad [Re: koods]
#27155782 - 01/18/21 05:56 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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More federal executions in the past six weeks than the previous 60 years.
He literally went on a state sponsored murder spree
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Re: Trump Was Bad [Re: Rose] 1
#27155842 - 01/18/21 06:23 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Okay I'll give you that, Trump was a dumbass and his rhetoric was divisive at times.
But he still killed less people than Obama, and he definitely killed WAY less than GWB. So if we're talking purely in terms of the number of war crimes committed under his leadership, Trump was better than both of them.
And at the end of the day it's the actions that a person should be judged by rather than their words.
If you ignore the 400k+ dead Americans.
But y’all’s team never was good at gauging crowd size.
Those numbers are vastly over-inflated. And what is the average age of death again? 80+?
Ah, but I guess pointing that out makes me an evil Trumper who wants to kill your grandma.
The truth is that COVID has been vastly over-politicized precisely because they hate Trump and would go to any length to blame literally anything on him. Which is also why they deliberately allowed BLM & Antifa to riot and burn shit down for months on end, getting dozens of people killed in the process just so they could blame the violence on Trump, but are now immediately calling the national guard on them now that the election is over.
Hey, remember when Trump said that HCQ was an effective anti-Covid medicine? Yeah, it turned out to be true, except for just one problem - the media went hysterical over it and got it banned in a lot of places merely because Trump said it was good. I wonder, how many people died because they couldn't get access to HCQ when they needed it, all because of the media hysteria and the insanely hypocritical drive to blame literally anything and everything on Trump?
Ah, but don't let facts and logic get in the way. Please continue. I know you can't survive without your 5 minutes of Trump hate or else your brain loses oxygen and you might die. I know how it is.
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Re: Trump Was Bad [Re: koods]
#27155843 - 01/18/21 06:25 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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More federal executions in the past six weeks than the previous 60 years.
He literally went on a state sponsored murder spree
The people being executed were all primarily guilty of both murder and rape. Sometimes just murder alone, but also rape in a lot of cases.
Gee, nothing like raping & murdering someone, only to be defended by Koods just because it was Trump who ordered your execution.
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Re: Trump Was Bad [Re: koods] 1
#27155850 - 01/18/21 06:27 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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I don’t even know what he’s talking about. Donald trump was a psychopath when it comes to killing civilians in war zones, compared to Obama and bush.
It got so bad they stopped reporting the numbers
https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers
Obama got 10's of thousands of innocent people killed in Libya alone when he ordered a bombing campaign on their nation, totally destroying it and turning it into a third-world shithole run by local islamist warlords in the process.
Nothing Trump did comes anywhere close to something that Obama did in just ONE country. And that's not counting Ukraine, Syria, Yemen, all of which went down under Obama's watch.
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Talking with you is a waste of time.
Shame. I love political debate but first, we need to agree on things like math, facts, definitions, and reality. Without those agreements, you only serve as a train wreck for discourse.
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Interesting you bring up the average life expectancy.
It went down for the first time ever in the US under Trump.
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More federal executions in the past six weeks than the previous 60 years.
He literally went on a state sponsored murder spree
The people being executed were all primarily guilty of both murder and rape. Sometimes just murder alone, but also rape in a lot of cases.
Gee, nothing like raping & murdering someone, only to be defended by Koods just because it was Trump who ordered your execution.
Trump pardoned a man who commited mass murder.
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Re: Trump Was Bad [Re: koods] 1
#27155901 - 01/18/21 06:47 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah, you're right there. Pardoning the blackwater mercenaries was a bad move.
But Trump isn't that smart. He's still not the evil force of nature that you and Rose claim him to be, though.
If he doesn't pardon some people who actually deserve to be pardoned tomorrow I am gonna be pissed. He needs to pardon Assange as one final Fuck you to the establishment.
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I don’t even know what he’s talking about. Donald trump was a psychopath when it comes to killing civilians in war zones, compared to Obama and bush.
It got so bad they stopped reporting the numbers
https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers
Obama got 10's of thousands of innocent people killed in Libya alone when he ordered a bombing campaign on their nation, totally destroying it and turning it into a third-world shithole run by local islamist warlords in the process.
Nothing Trump did comes anywhere close to something that Obama did in just ONE country. And that's not counting Ukraine, Syria, Yemen, all of which went down under Obama's watch.
You know that Trump wanted Obama to attack Libya and kill kadaffi right?
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Re: Trump Was Bad [Re: koods] 1
#27155915 - 01/18/21 06:56 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Trump advocated for a surgical strike to take out Gaddhafi, not a literal bombing campaign that killed thousands of civilians, thousands of Libyan troops and paved the way for the local jihadists to take over the entire country and hand over the nation's oil supplies to ISIS and other terrorist groups.
But that's exactly what happened under Obama's bombing campaign.
And besides, he didn't actually give the order to carry all of that out. That was entirely Obama.
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He didn’t give the order he just suggested it and when it went bad lied about it until someone dug up his video. (Which he has now deleted 🤦♂️)
If you watch the full video that is apparently gone now he wanted US troops to occupy the oil fields. So no it wasn’t just a surgical strike.
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Re: Trump Was Bad [Re: koods]
#27155947 - 01/18/21 07:13 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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More death: operation warp speed is really operation snail pace.
Everything is a fuck up with trump
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Trump advocated for a surgical strike to take out Gaddhafi, not a literal bombing campaign that killed thousands of civilians, thousands of Libyan troops and paved the way for the local jihadists to take over the entire country and hand over the nation's oil supplies to ISIS and other terrorist groups.
But that's exactly what happened under Obama's bombing campaign.
And besides, he didn't actually give the order to carry all of that out. That was entirely Obama.
60 Libyans were killed during the NATO campaign.
Remember when trump was president and we killed 300 Russians in four hours in Syria? Crazy right?
That was just months after republicans said Hillary would get us into a war with Russia, yet nobody seems to remember Donald Trump was president when the US military fought and killed more Russians in armed conflict than any president in the past 75 years.
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Edited by koods (01/18/21 07:26 PM)
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Re: Trump Was Bad [Re: koods] 2
#27155984 - 01/18/21 07:26 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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300 Russians? lol
I think you mean to say a couple dozen. Also, they weren't regular Russian soldiers, but mercenaries fighting under the Wagner group.
Most of the people killed that day were Syrian. And yes that was horrible, but Trump himself didn't authorize that strike.
Also, you speak of Syria, but it was Obama who originally made the decision to illegally occupy Syrian soil. Trump wanted to leave and only backed out at the last minute because of an insane amount of pressure for him to reverse his decision.
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Donald trump is the president who sent an occupying force to Syria. Obama sent advisors. Get it straight.
And it wasn’t a couple dozen. Most of those killed were Russians.
Kinda pathetic that you have to lie to make Trump look good. There are more troops in Syria now than when trump took office.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.amp.html
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Dude, Obama drew a line in Syria, and backpeddled more then once pissing off alot of war hawks, this was after evidence of massive civilian deaths. In the end, Obama got most chemical weapons out of Syria. It could have been much worse.
Could it have been done better? Who knows the same presure Obama got, is the same Trump got....there is a whole segment in the MIC that perpetuates war and makes sure the president is scared shitless.
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Obama wanted to send troops into Syria, but congress said no. When Obama left office, there were 500 US military personnel in Syria. Trump sent 2000 more without getting congress’ permission, and 900 remain today.
When Trump took office there were no US soldiers in Saudi Arabia. Now there are 2500.
I actually think there are slightly more US soldiers in forward operation deployment now than when trump took office.
Edited by koods (01/18/21 07:51 PM)
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Re: Trump Was Bad [Re: koods]
#27156012 - 01/18/21 07:53 PM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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Trump armed the fuck out of Saudi Arabia despite those weapons sales being banned by congress due to the genocide in Yemen.
trump is just as much a war monger as the rest of them, and
Obama is the only president to reduce troop deployments during his presidency since carter
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Tell me, does it feel good to spend all your time & energy hating a man
No, but it feels good that he'll be fucking off by tomorrow.
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