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Except you lied about what nonagon said
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
#27148862 - 01/14/21 11:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just quoted what he said.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#27148871 - 01/15/21 12:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: And bidens already marginalized white people, and not a word from this guy...
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You thinking that 74 million people are white supremacists isn't any more of a well thought out argument than me saying 81 million just voted against Medicare for All this past election.
That's not what he said. Stop being dishonest. He specifically said that a fraction was white supremacist.
I tried to make that argument with him and here is how he replied:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: But a lot of Trump supporters aren't white supremacists.
That's an extremely weak argument, Falcon.
Let's say there are three people. The first two are outwardly-spoken Nazis. They are not subtle about it at all. It is quite obvious that they are Nazis. The third one claims that, while he himself is not a Nazi, he supports the same political candidates that these two Nazis support. In other words, he's not a Nazi, but he's willing to work with Nazis if it means securing power for a leader that Nazis overwhelmingly want in power.
A layman might look at this situation and see two Nazis and one Nazi-sympathizer. A historian would see three Nazis.
That's about the 15th time you've called me dishonest, and about the 15th time I've shown that you are being very dishonest by calling me dishonest.
I was being hyperbolic to make a point, the point being this: a Nazi sympathizer might as well be a Nazi. Obviously, there are varying degrees of Nazism. Obviously, there actually is a difference between a Nazi and a Nazi sympathizer. Obviously, there are degrees of moral responsibility there: an SS soldier physically abusing Jews in a concentration camp is obviously far worse than someone who supported Hitler by doing nothing more than attending his rallies and speeches, but the point is that both of these people played a role in the Nazis achieving their goals.
This would all be clear as day if you didn't take my comment out of context by leaving out the next couple of paragraphs, where I said this:
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The most charitable way to look at the situation is that the average Trump voter recognizes that a Trump presidency makes white supremacists very happy, but that this is somehow the lesser of two evils when compared to alternatives. Is that really such a noble position to be in? I don't think so.
I think from this quote, it's quite clear that I'm willing to admit that not all of Trump's supporters are white supremacists, but that even admitting that, all of Trump's supporters are at the very least willing to collaborate with white supremacists if it means securing power for Trump.
Once again, you're diluting the nuance of my argument so that it's easier for you to attack it. The legacy of dishonesty continues!
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I just quoted what he said.
No, you quoted only the portion of my comment that supported your narrative (your narrative being that I think all Trump supporters are white supremacists), while purposefully leaving out the next part, where I provided more nuanced detail that actually contradicts your narrative.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: SirTripAlot]
#27148892 - 01/15/21 12:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: The past shouldnt matter, but it does. Skin color shouldn't matter, but it does. These things are socially constructed and not sure when they wont be.
Except biden ran on uniting America. His goal is to unite Americans and then went on the divide and define Americans based on their skin color/ethnicity. Do you think identity politics helps unite America? How do identity politics unify Americans? It sounds to me like Biden is perpetuating division
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What white supremacist rhetoric does trump spew? Can we just stop talking about white supremacy? Its a made up issue
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 5
#27148900 - 01/15/21 12:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sure the people in Charlottesville totally agree with you that white supremacy is a made up issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: mndfreeze]
#27148901 - 01/15/21 12:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fake news!
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: mndfreeze]
#27148905 - 01/15/21 01:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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When white supremacists start daily riots and tear up cities they'll be an issue. There's probably more blm members than white supremacists and not only that blm rioted for months and yet people think white supremacy ia the pressing issue
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 6
#27148915 - 01/15/21 01:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Man I thought we mostly cleaned house on the racists and racist apologists but here you are.
Is BLM a problem up there in canoodlia? Got a lot of burning cities you need to defend so your white pride doesn't get over shadowed?
A simple google search will show you a absolute fuck ton of white supremacy marches, protests, violence, etc that has occured in the last few years.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: mndfreeze]
#27148927 - 01/15/21 01:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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mndfreeze said: Man I thought we mostly cleaned house on the racists and racist apologists but here you are.
Is BLM a problem up there in canoodlia? Got a lot of burning cities you need to defend so your white pride doesn't get over shadowed?
A simple google search will show you a absolute fuck ton of white supremacy marches, protests, violence, etc that has occured in the last few years.
Hey balls, is something you would say in Congress?
Im not saying it doesn't exist, im saying white supremacists are such small population size that they're insignificant. How many blm marches this year compared to white supremacy marches? How much damage did white supremacy marches cause? This year alone blm caused billions in damages. Whats hilarious is that blm is more dangerous than the proud boys  But i guess that doesn't matter to you because you disavow everything your side does.
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Why did you argue with me then when I first said "a lot of Trump supporters aren't white supremacists"?
Your argument then was that all Trump supporters are white supremacists to some degree, and that historians would say as much. Of course I realized then and now that there are varying degrees of white supremacy.
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Nonagon Infinity said: I was being hyperbolic to make a point, the point being this: a Nazi sympathizer might as well be a Nazi. Obviously, there are varying degrees of Nazism. Obviously, there actually is a difference between a Nazi and a Nazi sympathizer. Obviously, there are degrees of moral responsibility there: an SS soldier physically abusing Jews in a concentration camp is obviously far worse than someone who supported Hitler by doing nothing more than attending his rallies and speeches, but the point is that both of these people played a role in the Nazis achieving their goals.
Yes you're right, obviously there are varying degrees, as I just stated.
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Nonagon Infinity said: This would all be clear as day if you didn't take my comment out of context by leaving out the next couple of paragraphs, where I said this:
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The most charitable way to look at the situation is that the average Trump voter recognizes that a Trump presidency makes white supremacists very happy, but that this is somehow the lesser of two evils when compared to alternatives. Is that really such a noble position to be in? I don't think so.
I think from this quote, it's quite clear that I'm willing to admit that not all of Trump's supporters are white supremacists...
Why did you argue with me then when I said exactly that?
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Nonagon Infinity said: ...but that even admitting that, all of Trump's supporters are at the very least willing to collaborate with white supremacists if it means securing power for Trump.
Of course I agree. But collaborating with white supremacists is different than being a white supremacist, just like voting for someone who says they will veto Medicare For All is different from being against Medicare For All.
Please answer this: Are all Trump supporters white supremacists to some degree or aren't they?
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 3
#27148932 - 01/15/21 01:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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What is "My side" exactly? The side that thinks you are either a troll or a white supremist apologist? You are trying to claim they are non-issues when they are very very real issues and have been for a very long time. In fact, that exact line of garbage you are spewing as words is exactly why movements like BLM exist. They exist because of moronic thought processes like yours.
The white supremacy problem has existed far longer than BLM has and is extremely entrenched into every day society.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] 2
#27148940 - 01/15/21 01:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hold no sway over mcfreezernator
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: mndfreeze]
#27148945 - 01/15/21 01:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe 50 years ago white supremacy was a problem, not so much now...
So are you going to make your list of blm marches compared to white supremacy marches? Damage totals of each and how many lives were lost?
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: ballsalsa] 3
#27148951 - 01/15/21 01:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I hold no sway over mcfreezernator
Smells like Canuckian Xul up in hurrrrr. Remember how his shit started? Like this. Then one day its eugenics shit getting posted. Big oooof.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Please answer this: Are all Trump supporters white supremacists to some degree or aren't they?
No, they are not. However, it's not particularly relevant to the overall arc of this discussion. Allow me to explain...
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Why did you argue with me then when I first said "a lot of Trump supporters aren't white supremacists"?
Because the only reason you made that point was to (attempt to) counter my claim that the Trump presidency is a white supremacist movement, which it is. Trump is a white supremacist president. He consistently spouts white supremacist rhetoric (I gave multiple examples of this, and you didn't even attempt to deny any of them), he has more white supremacist supporters than any other mainstream politician in America, and he accepted endorsements and donations from multiple known white supremacists. You haven't challenged me on any of those three points thus far, and I think the reason for that is because the evidence in favor of them is so overwhelming that denying them would be stupid. Though you are extremely dishonest, I don't think you're stupid.
My point, which I have stated multiple times, is that Trump doesn't need for all of his supporters to be white supremacists in order for white supremacists to achieve their goals. The white supremacists, though they may have been outnumbered, still succeeded in securing the presidential platform for someone who is willing to normalize white supremacist rhetoric and ideas, which was their goal all along.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter whether or not Trump's supporters are all white supremacists to some degree or not, because the ones that are white supremacists got to claim a huge victory when Trump was elected in 2016, and everyone else that voted for him assisted them in achieving that victory.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: mndfreeze]
#27148959 - 01/15/21 02:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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It does feel familiar
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