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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27148657 - 01/14/21 09:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Trump isn't conservative and his supporters aren't conservative.




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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #27148751 - 01/14/21 10:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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If I got no wars and Medicare For All for letting Trump to do those things, I'd take it.




I think you're wrong to think that.

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Do you really think Trump wants a holocaust?




Of course not. Trump is just a power-hungry narcissist who will say anything to secure his own authority, even if it means spouting white supremacist rhetoric, which he does, regularly. Trump got what he wanted when he got to play president for four years, and the fraction of his supporters that are blatant white supremacists got what they wanted: a politician who normalized white supremacist ideas. It was a win-win scenario for Trump and the white supremacists of America.

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Ease off the MSNBC just a bit.



Is that really the best you can do as far as a response goes? I give a well-thought-out, logically-valid argument, and your response is "lay off the MSNBC"? I don't even watch MSNBC. I spend a lot more time reading history books than I do watching the news.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27148766 - 01/14/21 10:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You thinking that 74 million people are white supremacists isn't any more of a well thought out argument than me saying 81 million just voted against Medicare for All this past election.

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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27148771 - 01/14/21 10:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That's not what he said.  Stop being dishonest. He specifically said that a fraction was white supremacist.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27148776 - 01/14/21 10:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well he did say that he would rather give up medical for all and fight foreign wars to have a president that says "nicer" things... imagine wanting to fight foreign wars where many people will die, including your countrymen to avoid being triggered by words...


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123]
    #27148778 - 01/14/21 10:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

And bidens already marginalized white people, and not a word from this guy...


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] * 3
    #27148786 - 01/14/21 10:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Trump has disgraced this nation on a global scale.  Most likely, his actions will lead to a whole lot of war.  It will be decades before the full scale of Trump's destruction will be known, if ever.

In what fantasy are white people marginalized in the U.S.?  White people have it made.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #27148788 - 01/14/21 10:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

How has Biden marginalized white people?


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #27148792 - 01/14/21 10:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You thinking that 74 million people are white supremacists isn't any more of a well thought out argument than me saying 81 million just voted against Medicare for All this past election.




I never said that 74 million people are white supremacists, Falcon. If anything, I specifically went out of my way to explain that the vast majority of people aren't white supremacists. I clearly stated that the problem isn't that there are a lot of white supremacists. The problem is that white supremacists are gaining power through the normalization of their ideas and values. You are deliberately ignoring the nuance of that argument to dismiss my position.

And you always wonder why so many of us think you're such a dishonest person.

EDIT: by the way, the next time you start bitching about how nobody ever gives you evidence of your dishonesty, I'll link to this comment.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27148793 - 01/14/21 10:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

We'll see how many wars are started post trump, because of trump

Biden said he would specifically prioritize helping minority businesses re open. If thats not marginalizing white people then idk what is


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] * 4
    #27148796 - 01/14/21 10:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Minority owned businesses is approximately at 14%, yeah, I feel really fucking marginalized.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] * 11
    #27148797 - 01/14/21 10:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Are you that much of a victim that you think helping someone else is marginalizing you?  What a sense of entitlement you have.  It's not completely your fault.  Shit, you grew up in a country where you enjoy the top tier of racial privilege.  Why wouldn't you get used to it?  Still, you aren't entitled to it.  That privilege is paid for by other people being oppressed for centuries. 

Get used to this feeling.  It isn't an attack or a punishment.  It's a move toward more equality.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] * 3
    #27148798 - 01/14/21 10:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Well he did say that he would rather give up medical for all and fight foreign wars to have a president that says "nicer" things...




That's not a very accurate way of describing my position. There's a big difference between wanting a president that doesn't consistently spew out white supremacist rhetoric and wanting a president that says "nicer" things.

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imagine wanting to fight foreign wars where many people will die, including your countrymen to avoid being triggered by words...



Imagine not realizing how hate speech, if given a platform (and there are few platforms more widespread than that of the president), can eventually lead to violent action, even genocide, which is far worse than any war currently being fought.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27148805 - 01/14/21 10:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Minority owned businesses is approximately at 14%, yeah, I feel really fucking marginalized.



So forcibly shut down a majority of businesses, bankrupting thousands of companies and then you prioritize helping approximately "14% of them", you dont see anything wrong with that? Why not prioritizing helping everyone? Oh wait its because joe Biden and the Democrats define people by their skin color


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27148807 - 01/14/21 10:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Are you that much of a victim that you think helping someone else is marginalizing you?  What a sense of entitlement you have.  It's not completely your fault.  Shit, you grew up in a country where you enjoy the top tier of racial privilege.  Why wouldn't you get used to it?  Still, you aren't entitled to it.  That privilege is paid for by other people being oppressed for centuries. 

Get used to this feeling.  It isn't an attack or a punishment.  It's a move toward more equality.



Thanks for that enlil. But there's nothing wrong me with for wanting everyone treated equally. The past doesnt matter, skin color and  ethnicity mean nothing


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #27148810 - 01/14/21 10:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The past shouldnt matter, but it does.
Skin color shouldn't matter, but it does. These things are socially constructed and not sure when they wont be.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: MagicMush123]
    #27148821 - 01/14/21 11:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Minority owned businesses is approximately at 14%, yeah, I feel really fucking marginalized.



So forcibly shut down a majority of businesses, bankrupting thousands of companies and then you prioritize helping approximately "14% of them", you dont see anything wrong with that? Why not prioritizing helping everyone? Oh wait its because joe Biden and the Democrats define people by their skin color



Or prioritize based on some kind of objective assessment of actual need, which may well skew more to minority owned businesses. But minority ownership on its own is a poor metric for need. Oprah's business empire is probably doing alright for example.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi]
    #27148837 - 01/14/21 11:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

She been eating to many Twinkies  and her Weight Watcher stock is in shambles.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Enlil]
    #27148843 - 01/14/21 11:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You thinking that 74 million people are white supremacists isn't any more of a well thought out argument than me saying 81 million just voted against Medicare for All this past election.



That's not what he said.  Stop being dishonest. He specifically said that a fraction was white supremacist.



I tried to make that argument with him and here is how he replied:
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But a lot of Trump supporters aren't white supremacists.




That's an extremely weak argument, Falcon.

Let's say there are three people. The first two are outwardly-spoken Nazis. They are not subtle about it at all. It is quite obvious that they are Nazis. The third one claims that, while he himself is not a Nazi, he supports the same political candidates that these two Nazis support. In other words, he's not a Nazi, but he's willing to work with Nazis if it means securing power for a leader that Nazis overwhelmingly want in power.

A layman might look at this situation and see two Nazis and one Nazi-sympathizer. A historian would see three Nazis.




That's about the 15th time you've called me dishonest, and about the 15th time I've shown that you are being very dishonest by calling me dishonest.


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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27148847 - 01/14/21 11:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You thinking that 74 million people are white supremacists isn't any more of a well thought out argument than me saying 81 million just voted against Medicare for All this past election.




I never said that 74 million people are white supremacists, Falcon. If anything, I specifically went out of my way to explain that the vast majority of people aren't white supremacists.



No, I TRIED to tell you that and you argued with me.  See my previous post.

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EDIT: by the way, the next time you start bitching about how nobody ever gives you evidence of your dishonesty, I'll link to this comment.



Perfect, so will I!  :thumbup:


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