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OfflineJosborne
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How Does Myers Mushrooms Do Grain Spawn Like This?
    #27144353 - 01/12/21 06:20 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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Was watching this video of MM doing his grain spawns and noticed a few things:

1) He doesn't boil/simmer his grains.

2) He does a cold soak and then only drains (or "dries") the grain for a couple minutes. Furthermore, the grains are packed densely in a mesh bag. He doesn't spread them out. (5:48 of video)

3) He then immediately loads them into spawn bags.

This seems to go against a lot of the advice on here that insists on simmering, steam drying, and attaining the "no wet spots on a paper towel" level of moisture. There's no way a 5 minute drain would get to ideal field capacity, esp with that much volume of grain and esp from a cold soak. Those grains are def pretty moist.

Wondering what peoples thoughts are. MM's way honestly seems way easier. Simmering and colander drying seems way more involved and like it wouldn't scale well. But also I'm a noob so I might be missing something.

Edited by Josborne (01/12/21 06:21 PM)

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Re: How Does Myers Mushrooms Do Grain Spawn Like This? [Re: Josborne]
    #27144494 - 01/12/21 07:13 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Both Myers and Mossy Creek mushrooms do a 24hr soak, drain+fill. Both of them run successful businesses so i'd trust it! I have tried a 12 hour soak with WBS, and either that was not enough hydration or shitty WBS, because they colonize 98%. Just switched back to oats, trying MM/MCM's 24 hour soak, and just inoculated them two days ago so i don't have data yet on how well it performs.

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Re: How Does Myers Mushrooms Do Grain Spawn Like This? [Re: Josborne] * 2
    #27144504 - 01/12/21 07:18 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I wouldn't say your missing something nessecarily, what I can say is that as any forum user here knows there are approximately ten to eleven billion grain teks, this might lead someone to believe this is a complex and sophisticated honed skill only few people achieve through years of success and failure.

The reality is that the vast majority of those teks can be summed up to : hydrate the grain.

There can definitely be a tendency to overthink most things I think especially starting off.

I'd answer your question by saying the PC cycle will continue to hydrate the grains. It's some what hard to mess up grains so badly that they won't work.

But think about it as if they aren't as hydrated, then loaded wet and PC'd, is the same moisture content resulting ? Practically.

I use wheat, and having done a 5 bag test on no boil soak, wet load prep I find the bags will have some dried grains on top of the bags. I opt to simmer.

Also consider many gourmet strains like oysters are extremely aggressive.


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Re: How Does Myers Mushrooms Do Grain Spawn Like This? [Re: filthyknees]
    #27146674 - 01/13/21 09:35 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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filthyknees said:
I wouldn't say your missing something nessecarily, what I can say is that as any forum user here knows there are approximately ten to eleven billion grain teks, this might lead someone to believe this is a complex and sophisticated honed skill only few people achieve through years of success and failure.

The reality is that the vast majority of those teks can be summed up to : hydrate the grain.

There can definitely be a tendency to overthink most things I think especially starting off.

I'd answer your question by saying the PC cycle will continue to hydrate the grains. It's some what hard to mess up grains so badly that they won't work.

But think about it as if they aren't as hydrated, then loaded wet and PC'd, is the same moisture content resulting ? Practically.

I use wheat, and having done a 5 bag test on no boil soak, wet load prep I find the bags will have some dried grains on top of the bags. I opt to simmer.

Also consider many gourmet strains like oysters are extremely aggressive.





This was super helpful. Thank you both!

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Re: How Does Myers Mushrooms Do Grain Spawn Like This? [Re: Josborne]
    #27149739 - 01/15/21 01:00 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Myers tek works great on rye.  Well... modified.  I soak in double buckets for 24 hours in paint strainer bags and then lay it out on a screen for 20 minutes with a box fan till the grains around the edges start to look dry.  Then I mix and fill bags.

100% success over 150 dry lbs of grain. I will be trying the same method on oats next week.

Does not work equally well on milo/sorghum.  Going to start soak for 24 hours, then simmering for 15 minutes next time i run milo...

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Re: How Does Myers Mushrooms Do Grain Spawn Like This? [Re: Josborne]
    #27941526 - 09/09/22 06:18 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I know I'm late to the party here, but I just saw his video on YouTube, and I was thinking the exact same thing.  The grains would be hella wet going into the spawn bags.

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Re: How Does Myers Mushrooms Do Grain Spawn Like This? [Re: Josborne]
    #28014917 - 10/24/22 08:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So I'm trying to understand Mayers method. He runs a big operation. But he said that he "only pressure-cooked 9 bags once a month, which is enough to make 200 sawdust bags"

So is he not PC-ing those 200 sawdust bags but only pasteurizing?

If so then since you can pasteurize in a drum sterilizer, that should save up a lot of work.

Am I understanding this correctly?

I'm mostly interested in knowing if there something similar that can be done when working with cubes? Don't think Mayer is working with those, at least not in this video :smile:

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