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DJ Ed
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Bang on, you just need someone who can practice compassionate listening.
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DJ Ed
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You’re absolutely right about getting a good counsellor, or therapist.
I have seen many counsellors, and for various reasons throughout my life. I’m now 54. The first therapist I saw was in 1988 after I’d done too much acid over too short a period, then had a heavy mushroom trip, then checked into the psychiatric ward of the local hospital, as I really thought “I was going mad”.
I didn’t know what going mad was like, but I felt existential distress. I was suddenly terrified of dying. I had the classic “1,000 yard stare” credited to “acid heads”.
So I was sent home and visited weekly by a drugs counsellor. After a few sessions I began to get suspicious. He was just too clean, if that makes sense. After about 3 months I asked him direct if he’d taken acid, and no he hadn’t. All his answers were from a textbook.
I immediately asked him to leave and I didn’t see him again. What was the point, he could not relate to what I was going through. I worked it out myself in the end.
Anyway full circle, wife of 22 years, partner of more or less 37 years left in October last year. So ive seen a counsellor twice now for my heartbreak. He is the first counsellor in years who has spoken any sense to me. I have seen many over the years for depression; some of the best in the Uk treated me, at The Priory. I was shacked up at times with Amy Winehouse, and Susan Boyle. But no matter how much money was spent, none of it helped that much, if at all.
I think counsellors are like anti-depressant medication. You need to try a few different ones until you find one that works for you. Then you deal with your problems and get off the meds ASAP.
Take care DJ Ed
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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: DJ Ed]
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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
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You have to find a resource that works FOR YOU.
Once you do that, you have a serious platform for change.
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greenladel

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Mr.Fujiwawa said: When I trip on mushrooms and DMT I experience paranormal activity level shit. I don't see these things as drugs anymore. Its more like the tent of meeting from the bible where Moses's tribe would talk to God. But when someone entered the tent of meeting without being called upon they would die instantly.
That's how I feel about mushrooms. If I eat them again I fear of getting tortured or messing up my brain.
I'm not a newbie either I've eaten mushrooms over 20 times in 2 years.
My last trip was 2 months ago.
I'm sad and lonely and want to escape again but fear the consequences.
if you feel that way about taking them then you should definitely not fight that. mushrooms and DMT should not be used to escape in my opinion anyway, although i guess they are better than things like alcohol, benzos, opiates, etc. sounds to me like you have other issues going on that you should figure out first. i agree with bitcrazyy, if therapy is an option you should give that a go.
there is no harm in giving the trips a break, there will be plenty of time to trip in the future. for now you should focus on what is making you want to escape and hopefully tackle that problem.
good luck. when you feel lonely youve always got us. i know its the internet but we are real people still
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greenladel

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larry.fisherman said: No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded. They are biased and can't do anything for you that you can't do for yourself. Anyone with a modicum of self awareness is wasting their time with a therapist. The supernatural is real. Can't help you with that. Instead of listening to these dorks saying "Seek professional help so you can keep doing drugs" you either take an extended break, stop, or seek your own spiritual guidance. That's the best advice you're going to get.
A lot of people don't experience these things, so they think they are right. There is nothing wrong with them, so there must be something wrong with you. This is how people work. But psychedelics aren't anything in particular but a new set of eyes. Some people are more observant than others, like not walking into a glass door.
thats pretty naive. every case of mental illness, even every case of depression is unique. what works for one person does not work for another and there has never been a single fix in the history of man. it is possible that you are actually on to something and you have good reason to be saying this, but since you are writing it on shroomery and not on a psychology paper im going to assume there is no study or testing done to back it up and you are actually basing it on your own experience, then confirmed your bias through subconsciously noting cases where people agreed with you.
that said, i do agree to some extent with what you are saying, but you misunderstand what this means for others. you say about self awareness, which i do agree is the best course of action, and gives you tools better than any therapist. most people are not self aware though and it is not a simple matter of being self aware, that takes years of conscious effort, thats if they even know it exists. what do those people do? not seek help at all? just ponder on what it might mean to be self aware? therapy is far more likely to succeed than stabbing in the dark about self awareness and has a much better record too.
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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: greenladel] 1
#27143506 - 01/12/21 10:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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when it is time to get laid - don't cloud the issue by searching for a soul mate.
same with psychological problems, get (your mind) laid (open) she does not need to be a beauty.
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LosTresOjos said: Okay, bad example about the soldiers. They did enlist to carry a gun for a Neo fascist regime. Not all but the military is predatory like that. So you will gather weak minded individuals in that system.
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larry.fisherman said: No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded. They are biased and can't do anything for you that you can't do for yourself. Anyone with a modicum of self awareness is wasting their time with a therapist. The supernatural is real. Can't help you with that. Instead of listening to these dorks saying "Seek professional help so you can keep doing drugs" you either take an extended break, stop, or seek your own spiritual guidance. That's the best advice you're going to get.
A lot of people don't experience these things, so they think they are right. There is nothing wrong with them, so there must be something wrong with you. This is how people work. But psychedelics aren't anything in particular but a new set of eyes. Some people are more observant than others, like not walking into a glass door.
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larry.fisherman said: All therapists do is ask you shit you could ask yourself. If you want to pay someone for that because you got high on psychedelics and people on the internet told you that's bad, be my guest. This is called context. Find me nasty all you want, it clearly helps me see who can't think for themselves. Bob
Damn guys, why the hate on therapy and soldiers. Anyone trying to live life better might get some valuable insight from therapy. And everyone deserves empathy and help, especially soldiers. Help is help. Help is good. I feel sorry that you guys feel the need to hate on stuff like this. Bad vibes.
Jesus fuck. I would think that of all places, people would be open minded here.
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Listen to what you feel. Kanbbalistic tradition states that you shouldn't venture into the spiritual realms until you are 40, and have been married etcetera. I take this to mean that you need to have a well developed ego before you work on losing it for spiritual exploration. I found that when I tripped too much, it was always the same trip. I needed to have some Life between trips to process in order to make use of tripping. At one point in my life (I'm 59) I avoided psychedelics for twenty years. LOL I remember as a teenager saying, "Woah I can't imagine tripping at 50. Maybe your trips have been telling you to make some changes on Earth here and come back when tripping isn't a need to escape Earth, but instead a way to learn how to live on Earth better. We need on the job (earthly) training too lol.
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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: greenladel]
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larry.fisherman said: No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded. They are biased and can't do anything for you that you can't do for yourself. Anyone with a modicum of self awareness is wasting their time with a therapist. The supernatural is real. Can't help you with that. Instead of listening to these dorks saying "Seek professional help so you can keep doing drugs" you either take an extended break, stop, or seek your own spiritual guidance. That's the best advice you're going to get.
A lot of people don't experience these things, so they think they are right. There is nothing wrong with them, so there must be something wrong with you. This is how people work. But psychedelics aren't anything in particular but a new set of eyes. Some people are more observant than others, like not walking into a glass door.
thats pretty naive. every case of mental illness, even every case of depression is unique. what works for one person does not work for another and there has never been a single fix in the history of man. it is possible that you are actually on to something and you have good reason to be saying this, but since you are writing it on shroomery and not on a psychology paper im going to assume there is no study or testing done to back it up and you are actually basing it on your own experience, then confirmed your bias through subconsciously noting cases where people agreed with you.
that said, i do agree to some extent with what you are saying, but you misunderstand what this means for others. you say about self awareness, which i do agree is the best course of action, and gives you tools better than any therapist. most people are not self aware though and it is not a simple matter of being self aware, that takes years of conscious effort, thats if they even know it exists. what do those people do? not seek help at all? just ponder on what it might mean to be self aware? therapy is far more likely to succeed than stabbing in the dark about self awareness and has a much better record too.
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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: LosTresOjos] 1
#27143718 - 01/12/21 12:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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LosTresOjos said: Okay, bad example about the soldiers. They did enlist to carry a gun for a Neo fascist regime. Not all but the military is predatory like that. So you will gather weak minded individuals in that system.
Also people who have non combat PTSD sucks too
Idk, I don't fault people for needing to talk things out. It's the most common way to hash through emotions, feelings, and memories
I just feel like we shouldn't judge people if they feel like talking to someone
If they don't, then it's just their personal choice either way
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greenladel

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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Neurotech]
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Neurotech said: Kanbbalistic tradition states that you shouldn't venture into the spiritual realms until you are 40, and have been married etcetera. I take this to mean that you need to have a well developed ego before you work on losing it for spiritual exploration.
i agree, but i think it benefits for the opposite reason. as you get older you let go of your ego more and pay more attention to more important things, so i think you need to be ready to let go of your ego before it is ripped from you.
either way, with age usually comes wisdom, at least compared to your younger self, so this is good advice regardless
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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: skOsH]
#27145063 - 01/13/21 05:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just feel like we shouldn't judge people if they feel like talking to someone
talking to people is at the core of what we are. people who think talking does not help are too closed off to see the benefits. those people also do not benefit from talking because they are detached from other people.
fact is, we are social animals, communicating with each other is stimulating and causes reactions that can help a persons mental state in incredible ways.. or not, but it rarely makes things worse. but therapists do more than just talk and ask you questions. a good therapist will be able to help you find and execute a self improvement plan that suits you.
i think it is important to find a therapist that you click with though. even if they are a good therapist, if you you do not like them off the bat for any reason (justifiable or not) then people tend to not succeed with that therapist. there is no shame in moving to another and trying them, then another, and another, go through 100 if you need to, the right one is out there somewhere. i think too many people walk away from the idea of therapy based on one or only few experiences of therapists.
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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: greenladel] 2
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Neurotech said: Kanbbalistic tradition states that you shouldn't venture into the spiritual realms until you are 40, and have been married etcetera. I take this to mean that you need to have a well developed ego before you work on losing it for spiritual exploration.
i agree, but i think it benefits for the opposite reason. as you get older you let go of your ego more and pay more attention to more important things, so i think you need to be ready to let go of your ego before it is ripped from you.
either way, with age usually comes wisdom, at least compared to your younger self, so this is good advice regardless 
I’m not sure I agree with that statement. I think the ego gets much more rigid and engrained as you age, hence the perceived additional benefits for the more mature tripper when their ego is turned off for a while.....
The ego, contained in the default mode network is wired for automatic behaviour in response to threats, to ensure you survive. It’s these patterns of thinking that are removed by mushrooms, in my opinion.
Mush love DJ Ed
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#27145757 - 01/13/21 11:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've also noticed what DJ Ed mentioned. Most older people stop tripping because they are too scared to lose their ego.
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Neurotech
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larry.fisherman said: No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded. They are biased and can't do anything for you that you can't do for yourself. Anyone with a modicum of self awareness is wasting their time with a therapist. The supernatural is real. Can't help you with that. Instead of listening to these dorks saying "Seek professional help so you can keep doing drugs" you either take an extended break, stop, or seek your own spiritual guidance. That's the best advice you're going to get.
That is extraordinarily irresponsible advice in my opinion. I doubt you have any idea how therapy can help. Likely you have had some bad experiences with someone else making you go or something like that. Or, you may have had a bad clinician. . Similar to shrooms, it doesn't go well if you don't trust, let go and participate. Really the same mechanism as you uncover previously avoided unconscious material. Just because you are successful in seeking your spiritual goals doesn't mean that psychotherapy is hogwash. You need trust, hope and some courage, similar to shrooms.
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larry.fisherman said: No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded.
A lot of people don't experience these things, so they think they are right
Yeah crippling TRD and complex PTSD means i am weak minded and I don't experience problems.
Also when you labeled your own advice as the best advice, probably it because you found something that works for you and that's it
I guess veterans who are doing therapy with MDMA are weak minded
I have PTSD, genius. You need a professional to what, ask you questions while you're high? Having mental health issues is "weak-minded." Sorry to burst your bubble. That is coming from someone with mental health issues. Therapy is useless for a lot of people. Can you tell me where this thread fell off the rails? That would be the first response. Guy uses psychedelics, says it's spiritually intense. The response is "seek therapy." Why even post is my question.
I have PTSD as well, TRD, fibromyalgia. It's not fun. I don't know why, but i guess I am weak minded. Thanks.
Peace. I'm done. I gave advice and I guess that's bad
OP, good luck
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The very good reasons that Kabbalists are suppressed from involvement until they are over 40 include the following:
static perspective - the new views and insights are less likely to upset the stability of the students and their families due to decades of growth and practice. Younger students may erroneously begin to think that numbers actually mean something they do not, and they may also think that Kabbala gives them more right than the person beside him to declare extraordinary values in everyday happenings.
detached transcendence - after years of practice (phylacteries, prayers, fasts, postures and gestures with siddur and talit) it is reasonable to proceed to absorption while the trained part of the self continues in the ritual tasks.
perpetuity of the cult - to the extent that holy practitioners continue to inspire the congregation and keep it on track, this mature access only feature of the mystical part the religion enables the culture to weather diasporas, and other major challenges.
Kabbala is not for the masses, except as a cute and cheaply obtained materialistic spiritualism (eg. Madonna).
I have kept my distance from Kabbala as I am not really into joining with others in Jewish spiritual experimentation and practice.
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Pretty much paying someone to hold you accountable to your own bullshit. A lot of people are blind to their own bullshit though. So, sometimes it does pay to seek that type of help. Whatever gets the job done..
I'll tell you what though, mushroom trips have held me more accountable for my bullshit than anything else ever has. And for that, I will continue to consume when needed.
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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: DJ Ed]
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Neurotech said: Kanbbalistic tradition states that you shouldn't venture into the spiritual realms until you are 40, and have been married etcetera. I take this to mean that you need to have a well developed ego before you work on losing it for spiritual exploration.
i agree, but i think it benefits for the opposite reason. as you get older you let go of your ego more and pay more attention to more important things, so i think you need to be ready to let go of your ego before it is ripped from you.
either way, with age usually comes wisdom, at least compared to your younger self, so this is good advice regardless 
I’m not sure I agree with that statement. I think the ego gets much more rigid and engrained as you age, hence the perceived additional benefits for the more mature tripper when their ego is turned off for a while.....
The ego, contained in the default mode network is wired for automatic behaviour in response to threats, to ensure you survive. It’s these patterns of thinking that are removed by mushrooms, in my opinion.
Mush love DJ Ed
interesting. everybody is different when it comes to ego. it just goes to show they can do wonders for a wide variety of people, particularly in regards to the ego.
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