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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27139609 - 01/10/21 11:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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like a majority of the country



I highly doubt that


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Ezuma]
    #27139680 - 01/10/21 12:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

well i question ur normz


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 2
    #27139912 - 01/10/21 02:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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well i question ur normz




at the risk of being pedantic, Koods said 'unencumbered by normal human emotions and morality'. Normative being determined by majority... it doesn't make much sense to say the majority are unencumbered by norms...


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi] * 1
    #27140267 - 01/10/21 05:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It is a different issue but it's another way in which he potentially bears personal responsibility for how things went. The National Guard should have been there much sooner, he had the ability to make the call, and by all indications he was following what was going on.



Id rather not speculate about Trump's intent. If he was worrying more about losing support than fulfilling his duties (and personal promises) to keep law and order and acted on the basis of political concerns such as that then thats terrible.

I saw all kinds of democrats blaming police presence at riots for worsening them and democratic officials acctually ordering police to stand down during george floyd riots. Chaz/chop where numerous people were shot and emergency services were obstructed was allowed to continue for like a month. A self declared autonomous zone and occupation, right in a neighborhood where people have homes and businesses. They will likely tell you they did it to avoid making things worse or outright blame police for the rioting in the first place. I think thats garbage but its their call and thats for the local voters to decide.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #27140294 - 01/10/21 05:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

We don't need to know his intent in order to discuss whether or not he failed in his duties by not deploying the National Guard sooner.


Now if he had some kind of plausible deniability that he was unaware of what was going on then that would be one thing. But from the available information that does not seem to be the case.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #27140300 - 01/10/21 05:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You referred to the electoral system in your previous comment and no, I don't believe it casts doubt on that. If foreign actors influenced voters, that would a major cause for concern but it's not the same thing as the system by which votes are cast and counted being the problem. And it would not be reasonable grounds for overturning election results. Whether or not voters were influenced by whoever, if their votes were counted fair and square then the results should stand.



Just because it wouldnt be grounds for overturing an election doesnt mean essentially defaming a president claiming "There is all kinds of evidence coming out against him and hes going down and theres a nombshell coming just wait" for years until it came out that there was no evidence of collusion isnt extremely bad for the country and undermines the government and current administrations legitimacy.

Its not merely that they were concerned a foreign actor influenced the election they were saying the sitting president played a part in it.

merely implying that the results were tampered with doesnt undermine faith in the curreent administration by its self as much as saying the sitting president was behind it all. I think thats really bad for the countrh and there were still people claiming during the 2020 election that Trump colluded with Russia so clearly it wss effective slander and continued to impact politics.

I think both what Trump and the democrats who promoted the Russia conspiracy (mostly the ones who kept going after it was debunked but also the ones that claimed there were bombshells that didnt exist coming. there was a chich who did that with the 2020 election with the dominionnstuff and that was whack too and the Trump team ditched her.) did harm to the country.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #27140313 - 01/10/21 06:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If he was defamed then he has recourse for that in civil court. But impugning the reputation of one politician in particular is a different thing than casting doubt on the electoral system itself. And by the electoral system I mean the people who accept ballots from voters and then count them.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] * 1
    #27140327 - 01/10/21 06:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Hilary popped her head up a half dozen times over the last four years.

Trump hasn’t not stopped talking about the election for two months. He only thinks about the election. He is not a stable person. He’s delusional. He’s full of rage. He’s demonstrated his willingness to retain power outside the democratic process. Your comparison to Hillary are laughable.



Once again, Koods you are turing this into "Koods' daily Trump is bad hour" I'm not trying to win you over on Trump, dude. I'm saying he did not incite violence and is not responsible for violence.

Both sides have undermined faith in the government, arguably for political reasons (although again, I do have problems with Universal mail in voting and stuff and think there was more of a case to be made that they may have had grounds to over turn the election and when it became clear that they didnt, for most republicans it became about this was about taking a stand against voter fraud and policies which open us up to it) to the detriment of the country. I dont think that makes them directly responsible for violence committed by someone else.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi]
    #27140328 - 01/10/21 06:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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If he was defamed then he has recourse for that in civil court. But impugning the reputation of one politician in particular is a different thing than casting doubt on the electoral system itself. And by the electoral system I mean the people who accept ballots from voters and then count them.



Ok what i was trying to get across was, maybe I shouldnt have said electoral system but either way its bad for the country. both what Trump did and what Hillary did. he has recourse but clearly there has been damage done to confidence in the state of the country which I think had a pretty big impact.

lol i cant tell u annd koods apart now


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #27140341 - 01/10/21 06:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Baseless, lol.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-capitol-riot-cop-killed-20210108-3zruid66fvg4dowi5ntujm6kxa-story.html%3foutputType=amp



You dont even understand what I was referring to.

I'm talking about the unconfirmed "suckers" story.

Just holding you to the same standard you are holding Trump to. saying anything without enough evidence may make you responsible if someone hurts a Trump supporter or something based on that story. Sorry, I dont make the rules, you do.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #27140356 - 01/10/21 06:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I can agree that claiming collusion without being able to prove it was bad for the country.


But I would say it was also bad for the country that Trump called publicly for a hack, that a hack much as he described did actually happen (whatever the motivations of the perpetrators and the lack of culpability by Trump), and that subsequently the baseless Pizzagate theory, which referenced emails from the hack, probably helped Trump win. Even though none of that seems to have constituted collusion or anything criminal on Trump's part that can be proven.


But in general, the recourse voters have if a politician wins based on lies but not criminal activity is to vote someone else in the next time around.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #27140363 - 01/10/21 06:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Imagine that, I dont understand what you are referring to.

Never stated that I made the rules. It doesnt take that much of a leap to draw an inference that he feels that sentiment, given the comments others have pointed out. Even more classic than the bone spurs.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Ezuma]
    #27141692 - 01/11/21 10:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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cannabinated said:
well i question ur normz




at the risk of being pedantic, Koods said 'unencumbered by normal human emotions and morality'. Normative being determined by majority... it doesn't make much sense to say the majority are unencumbered by norms...




it does...

if im refuting it

both times

retard


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Ezuma]
    #27141698 - 01/11/21 10:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

relativism is what ruined this country


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 2
    #27141699 - 01/11/21 10:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Ezuma said:
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cannabinated said:
well i question ur normz




at the risk of being pedantic, Koods said 'unencumbered by normal human emotions and morality'. Normative being determined by majority... it doesn't make much sense to say the majority are unencumbered by norms...




it does...

if im refuting it

both times

retard




I see you are a master debater, dunno how I could contest with such a strong case

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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Ezuma]
    #27141700 - 01/11/21 10:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

:cookiemonster:

im not debating

this is real fucking life with consequences


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 2
    #27141702 - 01/11/21 10:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

No, dude....this is an internet forum.  Are you having a stroke or something?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #27141703 - 01/11/21 10:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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:cookiemonster:

im not debating

this is real fucking life with consequences




:seriousbusiness:


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #27141710 - 01/11/21 10:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

no.. cause your opinions really dont mean anything and idc if im banned yall just like hearing ur selves and projecting


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27141711 - 01/11/21 10:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

lawyer :lol:


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