|
Boatloaf
King of Boatloafistan


Registered: 07/15/20
Posts: 164
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
What's the difference? Grain selection... 2
#27141646 - 01/11/21 09:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
WBS, brown rice, popcorn, oat etc...so many different grain choices...Is one truly better over the other when it comes to cubes? Why?
|
bw86
Doesn't play well with others


Registered: 11/12/06
Posts: 5,941
Loc: 7b
Last seen: 12 hours, 34 minutes
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: Boatloaf] 3
#27141732 - 01/11/21 10:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Yes. The cheapest one is the best. Because of money.
|
Gan
Wielder of Narya



Registered: 08/26/19
Posts: 927
Loc: Valinor
Last seen: 6 months, 14 days
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: Boatloaf] 2
#27141737 - 01/11/21 10:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
For the most part, it all comes down to availability in your area and price in your area. There are pros and cons to all. Some are easier to prep (wheat, 24h soak WBS) while others provide more inoculation points for a potentially faster g2g colonization (WBS, millet, etc.). After some time and experimentation, you will find a few different grains that you like for whatever reason. Although I will say popcorn is normally viewed as a tad bit inferior than the other grain choices to many
As for performance.... nah there's no difference between oats, WBS, millet, wheat, barley, etc. At least nothing has empirically proven that. If you have a good culture and good conditions you'll pump out an oz+/mycoquart first flush on any reputable grain choice
So just find one that is available in your area and a good price and try it out. Dont sweat it too much
|
Boatloaf
King of Boatloafistan


Registered: 07/15/20
Posts: 164
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: Gan] 1
#27142064 - 01/11/21 01:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Looks like I'm sticking with brown rice... hard to beat the price 😁
Felt like I may have been missing out on better flushes or something 🤷♂️ thanks for the input!
|
bw86
Doesn't play well with others


Registered: 11/12/06
Posts: 5,941
Loc: 7b
Last seen: 12 hours, 34 minutes
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: Boatloaf] 2
#27142181 - 01/11/21 02:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Sometimes you have to factor in your time. I can get spent brewers grain for free .I can go threw a process to force it to work. All that takes a lot of time and energy(time = money). So I use WBS after factoring that in. I predict In large quantities Brown rice might be similar but i dont use it so I couldn't tell you.
|
bigfootscreepyuncl
Stranger


Registered: 11/15/20
Posts: 3,725
Loc: Gamehenge
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: bw86] 1
#27142210 - 01/11/21 03:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
bw86 said: Sometimes you have to factor in your time. I can get spent brewers grain for free .I can go threw a process to force it to work. All that takes a lot of time and energy(time = money). So I use WBS after factoring that in. I predict In large quantities Brown rice might be similar but i dont use it so I couldn't tell you.
What are the steps for using spent brewers grain? I'm a homebrewer and live a 2 minute walk from 2 breweries. Or, in your opinion is it just not worth the extra hassle? I work ~80 hour weeks for 8 months then I'm off for 4 months. It may not be worth saving the $15 for a 50lb sack of oats
--------------------
I 5318008 NOT a virgin!
Edited by bigfootscreepyuncl (01/11/21 03:13 PM)
|
starbones
I'm an alien, I eat uranium.



Registered: 03/04/20
Posts: 1,131
Last seen: 3 months, 4 days
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: bw86] 1
#27142220 - 01/11/21 03:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Oats are bullshit. I don't have the energy to explain it all again but milling oats are milling oat quality, feed oat can be milling or feed oat quality and you never know which you're going to get in the feed oat bag. Prep differs greatly between them and so does the quality and composition of the oats. I grew, I grew tons with oats and I'll never go back unless I can know for a fact what grade oats I'm getting in my bag.
WBS has more inoculation points than anything other than maybe rye grass seed. WBS prep is the fucking simplest here.
Literally. Boil water. Dump in WBS. Turn off heat. Come back in an hour and strain. Jar and PC.
You can grow mushrooms with any grain, you can grow lots of mushrooms with any grain. Oats are a bastard because of the two different qualities. I stick with WBS because it's FUUUUCKING CHEAP, inoculation point, ezpz prep for days.
-------------------- Listen, I'm steel fisted with the iron lung Heavy metal ballads out the guitar where lions run.
 
|
bw86
Doesn't play well with others


Registered: 11/12/06
Posts: 5,941
Loc: 7b
Last seen: 12 hours, 34 minutes
|
|
gypsum + verm and knowing what too look for.
Getting the grain ever week accidentally caused me to get a job there for 4 years...
|
Boatloaf
King of Boatloafistan


Registered: 07/15/20
Posts: 164
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: bw86] 1
#27142307 - 01/11/21 04:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Interested in WBS. Brown rice has a similar simplicity which is what I usually aim for. When you say "multiple inoculation points", this is a new one for me... what exactly does that mean?
|
bigfootscreepyuncl
Stranger


Registered: 11/15/20
Posts: 3,725
Loc: Gamehenge
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: Boatloaf] 1
#27142363 - 01/11/21 04:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Boatloaf said: Interested in WBS. Brown rice has a similar simplicity which is what I usually aim for. When you say "multiple inoculation points", this is a new one for me... what exactly does that mean?
What 'multiple inoculation points' means is once you inoculate your sterile WBS of Brown rice and it colonizes and you spawn, there are so many individual grains, each being an inoculation point because it's fully colonized with mycelium.
Essentially each colonized grain is an inoculation point in your substrate. There's something like 3 or 4 grains of WBS or brown rice compared to oats or something larger. It just helps colonize the substrate or receiving jar faster. Cheers, mate
--------------------
I 5318008 NOT a virgin!
|
tedoro
ToadStool Tender



Registered: 02/06/15
Posts: 2,209
Last seen: 7 hours, 2 minutes
|
|
Just want to chime in here. I've been trying to cut corners with prepping rye and wheat for years. Because boiling and putting them out on screens is a stinky labor intensive mess.
I do bags, so the grains like to be on the dry side to stave off bacteria. Prepping the big grains like wheat or rye or oats requires you saturate the center of the berry (make the white starch go away) And that is a hard boil for 30-40 minutes. (fail at that and sterilization is very hard to achieve). That leaves your berries pretty saturated. You are left with the task of getting quite a bit of the water out of those berries again via drying.
Compare that to Millet (or WBS). For bags, one just soaks them for 6-12hrs. Room temp. drain and load wet.
Thats it. They come out beautiful. Millet costs a bit less than wheat for me. I'm never going back.
-------------------- -------------------- Deep pour soft agar plates-->bags of WBS-->Low Profile Monos Clean spawn thread | Put a thermometer on your PC
|
Sockadin



Registered: 01/03/10
Posts: 7,244
Last seen: 3 months, 7 days
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: tedoro] 1
#27197918 - 02/10/21 06:11 PM (3 years, 5 days ago) |
|
|
Can I just say that all grains have different pro's and cons.
I fucking love Black Oil Sunflower Seeds. Prep is simple, looks great during the spawn run in the jar, but it is more expensive than oats. I guess my point is if you know what you are doing and your prep is good you shouldn't have an issue with any grain.
|
tedoro
ToadStool Tender



Registered: 02/06/15
Posts: 2,209
Last seen: 7 hours, 2 minutes
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: Sockadin] 1
#27197931 - 02/10/21 06:17 PM (3 years, 5 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Sockadin said: Can I just say that all grains have different pro's and cons.
I fucking love Black Oil Sunflower Seeds. Prep is simple, looks great during the spawn run in the jar, but it is more expensive than oats. I guess my point is if you know what you are doing and your prep is good you shouldn't have an issue with any grain.
absolutely. and millet sucks. (I don't want it to sell out)
-------------------- -------------------- Deep pour soft agar plates-->bags of WBS-->Low Profile Monos Clean spawn thread | Put a thermometer on your PC
|
pureshrooming
feels like a stranger


Registered: 05/28/18
Posts: 321
Last seen: 11 days, 12 hours
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: tedoro] 1
#27197958 - 02/10/21 06:34 PM (3 years, 5 days ago) |
|
|
I went through every grain I could get my hands on locally and wheat and rye are my jam. Wheat wins cause its cheaper tho. Prep is super easy and easy to spot issues when colonizing.
Millet can suck it - easy prep and fast colonization but I was picking little seeds out of every crevice for weeks
|
Professor X
School for the Gifted



Registered: 04/18/19
Posts: 2,719
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: Boatloaf] 1
#27197978 - 02/10/21 06:50 PM (3 years, 5 days ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Boatloaf said: Looks like I'm sticking with brown rice... hard to beat the price 😁
Felt like I may have been missing out on better flushes or something 🤷♂️ thanks for the input!
Yeah, I would say anything but rice or popcorn. I use WBS and it's awesome. I used wheat for a while and WBS kicks it's ass in density. It beats everything out there. I tried popcorn, rice, oats, rye. The last two are comparable to WBS except millet and Milo are twice as dense. The popcorn was trash and brown rice is ok but there is better shit that doesn't gunk up your jars and is easier to shake.
|
Boatloaf
King of Boatloafistan


Registered: 07/15/20
Posts: 164
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: Professor X] 2
#27197990 - 02/10/21 06:56 PM (3 years, 5 days ago) |
|
|
Literally just got back from Petsmart and picked up some 650g coir bricks and was eyeballing the WBS. Think it was like $20 for a 40lb bag... is all WBS the same? Any particular brand that works better over another?
|
Boatloaf
King of Boatloafistan


Registered: 07/15/20
Posts: 164
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: Boatloaf] 1
#27197995 - 02/10/21 06:59 PM (3 years, 5 days ago) |
|
|
And what about WBS without a PC...
|
LogicaL Chaos
Ascension Energy & Alien UFOs




Registered: 05/12/07
Posts: 69,595
Loc: The Inexpressible...
Last seen: 7 hours, 41 minutes
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: Boatloaf] 1
#27197996 - 02/10/21 07:00 PM (3 years, 5 days ago) |
|
|
Try to get the type with the least amount of sunflower seeds.
U need a PC for WBS.
|
Boatloaf
King of Boatloafistan


Registered: 07/15/20
Posts: 164
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#27198003 - 02/10/21 07:01 PM (3 years, 5 days ago) |
|
|
Well crap... guess it's time to get one
|
LogicaL Chaos
Ascension Energy & Alien UFOs




Registered: 05/12/07
Posts: 69,595
Loc: The Inexpressible...
Last seen: 7 hours, 41 minutes
|
Re: What's the difference? Grain selection... [Re: Boatloaf] 1
#27198013 - 02/10/21 07:05 PM (3 years, 5 days ago) |
|
|
All grains require a PC except for Brown Rice.
|
|