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Will The Left Turn On Biden?
    #27141202 - 01/11/21 03:15 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

I’m in Georgia, so the election BS has been nonstop. I didn’t like or support any of the candidates in our senate election. The Republicans promised nothing other than they weren’t Osoff or Warnock. I doubt anybody actually voted for them, rather people just for or against Warnock/Osoff. Warnock and/or Osoff have all but promised that if they get elected they will see to it that all student loans will be forgiven, healthcare will be reformed, and everybody gets a $2000 check. Now that they have won, what happens if these things don’t happen? So far everybody hates Trump and straight white men so much that they all are united, but once Trump is gone and is not the main focus will they still be united? Will muslims change their their beliefs to support LGBT? Will blacks and Hispanic immigrants still get along? Will Biden allow the migrant caravans that are coming now to walk across the border while American citizens are told to close their businesses and stay home? Will he be called a racist if he doesn’t allow them in? Now that the single point of unity (hatred of Trump) is nearly gone, what’s going to unite these people, or will conflict break out among them resulting in more protests across the country? The precedent was set in 2020 that rioting, looting, and property destruction are totally acceptable forms of protest, there’s no reason to believe that it won’t continue with Biden as president. Will Biden support this? Will he be a racist if he doesn’t? Biden wants to take our guns, but will he take BLMs/NFAC’s guns too?

I agree that healthcare is a totally fucked up mess and needs to be reformed, but do they have a means of doing it? I also agree that fossil fuels need to go, but does AOC have a plan other than to dismantle the oil companies? I’m expecting gas prices to go up dramatically, which would be fine if the money was put towards developing and providing alternatives, but will they do that or will they spend it on other progressive ideas such as fighting for LGBT rights in other countries, trying to close the wealth gap between the US and third world countries, or paying slavery reparations? The smart move for all of us would be to get electric cars sooner than later, but how many people can do that? How many people of color or immigrants can sell their cheap old car and move to a new electric car? All of these things sound great in theory but I don’t hear much about how to make it actually happen. I think the next four years might be as much of a shit show as the past four years and I wonder if support for Biden will continue or not.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #27141311 - 01/11/21 05:52 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

What the hell do they tell you guys down there? Has everyone in the south just completely lost it at this point?


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27141327 - 01/11/21 06:16 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

With trump effectively silenced Biden's support will diminish as the majority of people voted for him because they hate trump. The left won't turn on him but the people will not support him.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27141332 - 01/11/21 06:22 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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What the hell do they tell you guys down there? Has everyone in the south just completely lost it at this point?



They tell us that everything about the west coast sucks ass right now, and it’s heading our way.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: JizzMasterZero] * 3
    #27141473 - 01/11/21 08:28 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

I don't know about the entirety of the West coast, but California is a fantastic place to live.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Enlil]
    #27141515 - 01/11/21 08:52 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

There turning on him allreaddy because he doesn't agree with everything they say. They tend to eat there own kind it seems like.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Mach z 800] * 1
    #27141528 - 01/11/21 09:02 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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There turning on him allreaddy because he doesn't agree with everything they say. They tend to eat there own kind it seems like.



You're just confused because you just saw four years of blind allegiance and faith in your cult leader.  That isn't normal.  Normally, people judge a President on each individual issue/action.  You'll get used to it over time.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Enlil]
    #27141568 - 01/11/21 09:22 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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There turning on him allreaddy because he doesn't agree with everything they say. They tend to eat there own kind it seems like.



You're just confused because you just saw four years of blind allegiance and faith in your cult leader.  That isn't normal.  Normally, people judge a President on each individual issue/action.  You'll get used to it over time.


im not confused about a thing its simple the left wants people to do what they say an if they dont agree they attack them or cancel them. If Biden dose not play ball with them it will get ugly really fast. They can care less he is president they just want him to play ball an push there looney ideas. Half of these people on the left should be in nut house.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Mach z 800] * 2
    #27141574 - 01/11/21 09:24 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

If Biden doesn't do what the voters want, they will vote him out.  That's the way our system works.  I realize you think that storming the capitol is standard practice for butthurt losers, but it really isn't.  Typically, Americans work within the system.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Mach z 800] * 2
    #27141576 - 01/11/21 09:25 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Biden has already turned on the progressives, so what choice do they have other than calling out Biden and his hypocrisy?


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: JizzMasterZero] * 6
    #27141578 - 01/11/21 09:25 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

I don't think 'turn' applies here, the left already dislikes Biden... the only people painting him as a socialist hero are Trumpers


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    #27141582 - 01/11/21 09:26 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

From a policy perspective, Biden and Trump are essentially identical.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Ezuma] * 2
    #27141587 - 01/11/21 09:28 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Voting for Biden was voting for a pause of Trump's lunacy.  If there was a viable candidate to reverse Trump's lunacy, he/she would have been voted in.  Biden was the best we could do under the circumstances.



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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27141655 - 01/11/21 10:00 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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If Biden doesn't do what the voters want, they will vote him out.  That's the way our system works.  I realize you think that storming the capitol is standard practice for butthurt losers, but it really isn't.  Typically, Americans work within the system.


no its not that way any more the media an big tech run the show now. The citizens are here just to watch the show unfold.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Mach z 800] * 2
    #27141844 - 01/11/21 11:26 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

The left will no doubt become frequently critical of Biden when Trump is no longer around catch all the hostility of the Democratic Party. Before the Georgia Senate runoff it looked like Mitch would still be around to blame. Now we will have no one to blame but each other.

But the left will not "turn on Biden" with the vitriol and irrationality that the GOP has been engaging in.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: qman] * 5
    #27141892 - 01/11/21 11:51 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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From a policy perspective, Biden and Trump are essentially identical.



"The only distinction between a Trump or Biden presidency is that under Trump, the repression will be brutal but widely unpopular, whereas under Biden, it will be more discreet but broadly accepted as legitimate."


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Ezuma] * 2
    #27142251 - 01/11/21 03:25 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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I don't think 'turn' applies here, the left already dislikes Biden... the only people painting him as a socialist hero are Trumpers



:werd:
'The left' encompasses a variety of factions and viewpoints, but the general consensus since the election has been "We're willing to vote for Biden to get Trump out, but on day 1 we will be opposing him and demanding positive change"


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Lynnch]
    #27142669 - 01/11/21 08:36 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Mod Edit:NO FLAMING/TROLLING POLITICAL DISCUSSION.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: JizzMasterZero] * 2
    #27143070 - 01/12/21 01:49 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

No, I don't think the left is going to "turn" on Biden.

"The left's" biggest weakness right now is that we are so divided amongst ourselves that we can't unify ourselves on a common cause. For example, my parents and I are both "lefties". However, I tend more towards the extreme left (anarchism) while my parents would be best classified as neo-liberals. We are both on "the left," but when you get down to the details of politics, we couldn't disagree more.

For example: I believe healthcare should be universal, the same way that our taxes provide universal coverage in the forms of firefighters or police officers. My parents believe that the best way to address healthcare is with a compromise between universal and private healthcare, where people can opt-in or opt-out. Basically, they think Obamacare was a good idea (whereas I think it was a bad idea because it wasn't left-leaning enough).

My parents believe Joe Biden was the best Democratic candidate in the 2020 election. They love Kamala Harris and Biden because they love anything that isn't Trump. I think Biden was a terrible choice. I think he has a track record of racial insensitivity, he helped draft the "tough on crime" bill in the 90's with Hillary Clinton, which largely contributed to the mass incarceration we're experiencing today, I think his choice of Kamala Harris was extremely insensitive to the demands of the leftist BLM protests (considering that she was a state prosecutor and consistently advocated for incarceration for minor drug offenses). I don't like Joe Biden, and when I found out that he won the Democratic nomination, my heart sank down to my stomach. My favorite Democratic candidate in 2020 was Bernie Sanders. My parents strongly disagree with me about this.

I hope this helps you understand some more details about the way that "the left" is divided against itself. We are not unified at all politically, yet our lovely two-party system forces us all into the same box. I dragged my feet to the polls and voted for Joe Biden, but I'm not happy about it at all. I saw him as the lesser of two evils, and I think it's extremely fucked up that the lesser of two evils is the best we can do right now, instead of producing a candidate that we can all take pride in.

So, to answer your original question: no, the left isn't going to "turn" on Biden because a large percentage of the left never liked Biden to begin with. I'm a leftist, and I never liked him, really. My criticism of Biden is pretty similar to my criticism of Obama (perhaps unsurprisingly - after all, Biden was Obama's VP): he's not left-leaning enough to lead us towards any meaningful change. I think the best thing we can hope for from Biden is stuff like Obamacare: weak, socialist-flavored compromises that are vulnerable to Republican obstructionism.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 4
    #27143330 - 01/12/21 08:05 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

I don't think voting Democrat makes someone automatically on The Left. Maybe 1/3 of Democratic voters are progressives and the rest are centrists that could very easily vote Republican. Anyone who truly embraces Biden and Harris are not on The Left or progressives, they're centrists and pretty conservatives in nature. The bottom line is that neo-liberals are not The Left, they're essentially on The Right.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: qman] * 2
    #27143505 - 01/12/21 10:20 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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I don't think voting Democrat makes someone automatically on The Left. Maybe 1/3 of Democratic voters are progressives and the rest are centrists that could very easily vote Republican. Anyone who truly embraces Biden and Harris are not on The Left or progressives, they're centrists and pretty conservatives in nature. The bottom line is that neo-liberals are not The Left, they're essentially on The Right.




well said, aside from a few high-visibility, identity related wedge issues, most democrats are just conservatives.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: qman]
    #27143548 - 01/12/21 10:33 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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I don't think voting Democrat makes someone automatically on The Left. Maybe 1/3 of Democratic voters are progressives and the rest are centrists that could very easily vote Republican. Anyone who truly embraces Biden and Harris are not on The Left or progressives, they're centrists and pretty conservatives in nature. The bottom line is that neo-liberals are not The Left, they're essentially on The Right.



Agreed. What counts for "the left" in America is pretty conservative in a global context.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27143635 - 01/12/21 11:15 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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No, I don't think the left is going to "turn" on Biden.

"The left's" biggest weakness right now is that we are so divided amongst ourselves that we can't unify ourselves on a common cause. For example, my parents and I are both "lefties". However, I tend more towards the extreme left (anarchism) while my parents would be best classified as neo-liberals. We are both on "the left," but when you get down to the details of politics, we couldn't disagree more.

For example: I believe healthcare should be universal, the same way that our taxes provide universal coverage in the forms of firefighters or police officers. My parents believe that the best way to address healthcare is with a compromise between universal and private healthcare, where people can opt-in or opt-out. Basically, they think Obamacare was a good idea (whereas I think it was a bad idea because it wasn't left-leaning enough).

My parents believe Joe Biden was the best Democratic candidate in the 2020 election. They love Kamala Harris and Biden because they love anything that isn't Trump. I think Biden was a terrible choice. I think he has a track record of racial insensitivity, he helped draft the "tough on crime" bill in the 90's with Hillary Clinton, which largely contributed to the mass incarceration we're experiencing today, I think his choice of Kamala Harris was extremely insensitive to the demands of the leftist BLM protests (considering that she was a state prosecutor and consistently advocated for incarceration for minor drug offenses). I don't like Joe Biden, and when I found out that he won the Democratic nomination, my heart sank down to my stomach. My favorite Democratic candidate in 2020 was Bernie Sanders. My parents strongly disagree with me about this.

I hope this helps you understand some more details about the way that "the left" is divided against itself. We are not unified at all politically, yet our lovely two-party system forces us all into the same box. I dragged my feet to the polls and voted for Joe Biden, but I'm not happy about it at all. I saw him as the lesser of two evils, and I think it's extremely fucked up that the lesser of two evils is the best we can do right now, instead of producing a candidate that we can all take pride in.

So, to answer your original question: no, the left isn't going to "turn" on Biden because a large percentage of the left never liked Biden to begin with. I'm a leftist, and I never liked him, really. My criticism of Biden is pretty similar to my criticism of Obama (perhaps unsurprisingly - after all, Biden was Obama's VP): he's not left-leaning enough to lead us towards any meaningful change. I think the best thing we can hope for from Biden is stuff like Obamacare: weak, socialist-flavored compromises that are vulnerable to Republican obstructionism.



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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27143903 - 01/12/21 01:39 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

I'm not a Democrat, but I am a liberal who does not support Biden or Trump. I'm not a republican either. Believe it or not you don't have to be at one end or the other.

I have to say that the Democrats had lousy candadite choices. Harris was already decided to be unworthy of running for president so to ad her to the ticket was adding insult to injury after Biden.


Not only does the candidate suck but you've already rejected his running mate, but vote for him anyway simply because Trump is horrible.

Brilliant. America has died and won't be going back from the dead.


So yes, once view of Trump is lost in the horizon people will realize how lousy Biden is, but the media won't report anything about that.

Right now Democrats aren't celebrating that Biden won, they're celebrating that Trump lost.

They might periodically rent about how Trump screwed everything up, and how his supporters are still doing evilz and occasionally report about how he screwed up, but Biden fixed it; this will be the only way Biden will get continued support and is the strategy the pigs used in Animal Farm.

But he will come into focus once Trump is long gone.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Cyonic]
    #27145219 - 01/13/21 07:14 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

It's pretty simple really. Biden wasn't Trump. And he wasn't Bernie. Harris is a surrogate for both of those points.


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    #27146713 - 01/13/21 09:51 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

The left dosen't like Biden. Some of them voted for him in an effort to push Trump out, but as far as I can see the only ones who truly "like" Biden are liberals.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: Josborne]
    #27148008 - 01/14/21 03:41 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Biden's covid plan is now $1,400 stimulus checks, as well as money towards states, unemployment, and vaccine rollout to open schools.

Well, I guess that adds up to $2k considering the $600 that just passed, but it doesn;t bode well.

The other stuff I generally agree with.


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    #27148011 - 01/14/21 03:42 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Biden won't be sworn in.  He'll probably slip and break a hip before then.


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    #27148094 - 01/14/21 04:31 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

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Not only does the candidate suck but you've already rejected his running mate, but vote for him anyway simply because Trump is horrible.

Brilliant.



 
    Ya Biden inspires no enthusiasm at all nobody likes him and Trump is inspiring as fuck and uses that to send an angry mob to attack his own govt to stay in power .  Even though there was constant speculation about this happening , pretty much throughout his whole term ,
  motherfuckers voted for Biden anyway . Can you believe it ?  I can't believe it .


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    #27148119 - 01/14/21 04:40 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

When all was said and done, it turned out, Orange Man was in fact... bad.

Will Dems turn on Biden? Depends on how he does.


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    #27148368 - 01/14/21 06:34 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

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Biden won't be sworn in.  He'll probably slip and break a hip before then.



My bet is on push-up contest heart attack.


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    #27148373 - 01/14/21 06:36 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Bare knuckled, with avaitor shades, my bet is a flight of steps from Air Force One.


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    #27148388 - 01/14/21 06:43 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

Thread title:  Will the left turn on Biden?

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    #27149030 - 01/15/21 03:32 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

The left already hated Biden long ago. He's a Reagan Democrat.


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    #27149203 - 01/15/21 06:41 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

Biden is to the right of Hillary Clinton and we all despised her so yeah.


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Re: Will The Left Turn On Biden? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #27149241 - 01/15/21 07:12 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

It doesn't really matter. The left, as in the real left (not the make believe version of the left many Republicans have) doesn't exist here. People certainly have the views of the real left, but there is no party. So until somebody puts together a plan, finds some money, and fights off the Dems to create a party that can actually get people elected, it will stay the same. In summary, there's isn't any "left" to turn on Biden. We might all get mad, be disappointed, but ultimately Biden is still better than Trump. So our vote will still end up with Biden despite him being dead and way too centrist. For a corpse, he sure speaks pretty well, it is refreshing. I will give him that.

We all know that Biden won because Trump is a colossal failure. Had Trump spent as much effort managing the Covid situation as he has on denying the results of the election he would have his second term. The Dems have to start preparing for running Kamala in 2024.


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