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    #27139039 - 01/10/21 05:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Some rather important points not covered in the threads, here (or in the News) ; about recent events & DT are covered in this video. It seems it makes the case that "The Terrorist Attack Is NOT Over". It is by Michael Moore. I think some of you may find it quite interesting.


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Re: future consequences [Re: laughingdog]
    #27139068 - 01/10/21 05:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well... Revolutions usually only happen when the police or the military 'flips' and start supporting the rioters.
Not the high ranking officers, the low rank workers/enforcers. Truth is, both extremes of the US want the same thing. Change on a large scale. We may be at a 'page turning' moment of history, our job is to welcome and accept change when it comes, with bravery.
My ENTIRE province is on hard lockdown, with curfew.
The world is ill, it seems, and I'm not talking about covid.

Refusing orders

Anwyays. We have to wait and see...


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“The strength of a person's spirit would then be measured by how much 'truth' he could tolerate, or more precisely, to what extent he needs to have it diluted, disguised, sweetened, muted, falsified.”


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Re: future consequences [Re: anatomality] * 2
    #27139432 - 01/10/21 10:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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anatomality said:
Well... Revolutions usually only happen when the police or the military 'flips' and start supporting the rioters.
Not the high ranking officers, the low rank workers/enforcers. Truth is, both extremes of the US want the same thing. Change on a large scale. We may be at a 'page turning' moment of history, our job is to welcome and accept change when it comes, with bravery.
My ENTIRE province is on hard lockdown, with curfew.
The world is ill, it seems, and I'm not talking about covid.

Refusing orders

Anwyays. We have to wait and see...




Americans are never going to abate the ever-increasing slide towards fascism and Nazism, never because they will continue to focus on Trump as if he is the root cause of all that is ill with the world, while those responsible for putting him in power will still be there whether or not he is himself.

The slide towards intolerance and fascism began with 911, not Donald Trump, and Muslims were the first victims. Rounded up and imprisoned in camps and black sites without trial or due process and tortured and murdered, or their countries devastated by carcinogenic depleted uranium in wars that were predicated upon fictitious lies and Hitlarian Enabling (patriot) acts. When something like that was allowed to happen, and the truth covered up by a complicit media/people/shills what did we honestly expect was going to happen a little way down the road?

It was all right there in front of people but they steadfastly refused to see what their very own eyes were seeing. And still do...

Can't you see it yet?



When people allow something like this/that to happen and bury their heads in the sand they can really have no-one else to blame but themselves.

There are simply not enough Americans willing to believe the truth about their own government while others go along out of expediency, or ignorance, or even blind stupidity or conformity.

The power of propaganda is just too great to resist, and the levels of confusing and conflicting disinformation too ubiquitous. So the masses will continue to believe in the false dichotomy that is American party left/right politics and we will all continue to slide into the abyss.

What can honestly be done now? 

Its down to Americans to prove that "good people really will do something" but the trouble is the majority have no idea who the real enemy is, and how much deeper it goes than useful idiots like Trump. They have been too successfully divided against eachother.

But its not as if people were not warned again, and again, and again, these last 15 or so years.


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Re: future consequences [Re: anatomality]
    #27139604 - 01/10/21 11:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Truth is, both extremes of the US want the same thing. Change on a large scale. We may be at a 'page turning' moment of history, our job is to welcome and accept change when it comes, with bravery.



Anwyays. We have to wait and see...




The left/right don't really want the same thing, sure they both want a change from our current situation, but in exactly opposite directions, which is why I don't think the divide can be reconciled. One group will win out and the other will lose, and I am concerned that it's in the interest of the status quo to go the route of fascism in the name of protecting unearned wealth.

The class-minded or economic left of the country has been weakened for decades, and what we get now is a weakened strain of leftists too often at odds with each other rather than unified to produce results.


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Re: future consequences [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #27139804 - 01/10/21 01:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I think we could see a lot worse in the near future. And I'm not sure even Trump himself has the ability to call his diehard supporters off at this point, even if he really wanted this. They'll just assume it's the same doublespeak they're accustomed to hearing from him and that he doesn't really mean it.


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    #27141176 - 01/11/21 02:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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psi said:
Yeah I think we could see a lot worse in the near future. And I'm not sure even Trump himself has the ability to call his diehard supporters off at this point, even if he really wanted this.



This is my main concern, at this point. We have to honestly ask ourselves whether Trump actually has the power to douse the flames he's poured gasoline all over. I think we all know deep down inside that the answer is "no."

wolf made a really good point above as well, which is that Trump wasn't the one who started those flames in the first place (though, as I mentioned, he poured gasoline all over them). However, I would go back even farther than 9/11, as wolf has pointed out. 9/11 was a significant turning point that catalyzed our tendency towards fascism, but I would go much farther back than that. America as a whole was founded on violent authoritarianism. Slavery accounted for so much of our economy, and we established ourselves here geographically via genocide against the native people. Our very roots are those of oppression, violence, and military control of global resources. In my opinion, the American empire is rotten to the core. The current turmoil we're experiencing isn't a bug in the system. It's a feature. It's the organic consequence of a country founded on unearned wealth and the military protection of said wealth. What other direction could we have gone?

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What can honestly be done now?




I answer this question, partially, with another quote:

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anatomality
We may be at a 'page turning' moment of history, our job is to welcome and accept change when it comes, with bravery.




Quite. It seems that our entire system of American government is changing significantly, possibly even collapsing. However, I don't think the collapse of the American empire would be the worst thing to ever happen to this world. The American government has left millions hungry, it has led to many unjust wars with civilians violently killed overseas (and many of our own young citizens, who were hired to do the government's dirty work via the military), it has left millions without healthcare, millions unable to afford an education, divided families, made the rich richer, made the poor poorer, exploited the labor of poorer countries, and divided its own citizens against one another.

I don't think this system is worth saving. I think it's much better to accept the change as it comes with bravery, with humility, with compassion, and with the belief that a better future is possible. Naysayers might tell me that though America is flawed, it is still better than anything we've seen before, but I think the moment we start sincerely believing that is the moment we give up on the pursuit of something better. We can live in a world with less violence, with less oppression, with less hatred, with less suffering, but our current system isn't going to get us there.


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