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The MaGiKaL BrEw. ayahuasca.
    #2713953 - 05/22/04 04:35 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I am interested in trying ayahuasca.

1. Should I use chacruna + caapi or Mimosa hostilis + Syrian rue :stash: :beer:?

2. Do the different ingrediants give different effects:tripping: :scrambled:?

3. Is there a difference in potency :regularshroom: ?

4. Can one make u less likely to :drooling: (puke)?

5. What is cheaper  :mrt:

              Thank you for you concern  :laugh:


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Re: The MaGiKaL BrEw. ayahuasca. [Re: sensi]
    #2714171 - 05/22/04 10:21 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

1) the traditional is caapi & chacruna; the alternate would be an "ayahuasca analog" (per jonathan ott)
2) somewhat different effects (esp vine vs. rueseed; THH vs. harmaline...)(& the leaf may have "other" trypts; most mhrb is just dmitri alkaloid)
3)"potency" -- yeah, vine has less alkaloids than rueseed, & chacruna prolly less alkaloids than mhrb
4) la purga --- the seeds have some nasty stuff in 'em, & the mhrb is very tannic; but even the pure chems (pharmahuasca) can induce nausea
5) per unit dose, seeds cheaper than vine; & mhrb cheaper than chacruna or chaliponga

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Re: The MaGiKaL BrEw. ayahuasca. [Re: sensi]
    #2714330 - 05/22/04 11:55 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

You might also consider using a pharmaceutical maoi. They are alot easier to injest, they dont add extra nausea and they are generally safer than the rue seeds.

Moclobemide is the one I normally use. Its sold as an anti-depressant and goes by the name Aurorix or Manerix. Moclobemide preferentially inhibits MAO-A; at a 300 mg dose, the inhibition of MAO-A is approximately 80%, while that of MAO-B is approximately 20 to 30%. The estimated MAO-A inhibition is short-lasting (maximum 24 hours) and reversible. Reversible MAOIs have little effect on MAO-B so dietary restrictions are unnecessary, although some other drugs should be avoided. Unlike the MAOIs, the reversible MAOIs are termed `reversible' because their effect wears off within about 12 hours rather than having to wait for the drugs to be eliminated from the body to be inactivated.

Moclobemide is said to be as effective as the irreversible MAOIs for the treatment of depression (although there is very limited comparative efficacy data) and is much safer in overdose. Therefore, moclobemide has become the monoamine oxidase inhibitor of choice.

Harmaline and harmine, the actives found in rue seeds are also reversible Inhibitors of mao-a. THey are just much harder to stomach:grin:

My experiemnts with rue always seemed to involve powerful projectile spewing. I didnt know it was possible to puke like that! :shocked:

Have fun :smile:


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Re: The MaGiKaL BrEw. ayahuasca. [Re: gir]
    #2714518 - 05/22/04 01:26 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have to get a prescription for that though?


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Re: The MaGiKaL BrEw. ayahuasca. [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #2714844 - 05/22/04 03:51 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

nope. google it. Swim can think of an "inhouse" phamacy in canada off the top of his head that will send you 100 150mg tablets for about $68 without a script.


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Re: The MaGiKaL BrEw. ayahuasca. [Re: gir]
    #2715280 - 05/22/04 06:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I'd recommend using caapi, there is more to it than simple MAO inhibition.


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