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Panaeolus Cyanescens
#27139009 - 01/10/21 04:23 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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G'day I'm chasing some advice on a substrate that is suitable for Pan Cyans any feedback would be greatly appreciated
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: BoggerOp]
#27139065 - 01/10/21 05:38 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: coversall]
#27139093 - 01/10/21 06:10 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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Some use mostly manure and some straw, others use half straw and half manure.
Here's an old quote to someone who wanted to grow pans:
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Phony Phone said: I'd scratch that video and read up on TC's of pan cyans (Block light wont prevent side pins and he refers to sanitation as sterilization so... ) Don't go directly from MS syringe to grains or substrate cuz often those are bacterial, you need to work on agar and either inoculate with an agar wedge or make an LC
Pan cyans love high humidity (95's~%) during pin fruiting, high FAE and highish temps (77 to 81 f, some have gone to 84 too). When you crank up one of these you need to adjust the others and you need a setup that will do these autopilot.
For these, an adapted martha greenhouse or JCM's easy fruiting of panaeolus.
These are some of the most experienced cultivators regarding pans right now:
Asura Mary Fairchild Jakeoncid419 Angam Jcm4620 Blue Helix
You can check my journal for useful pan stuff I have gathered.
Read Asura's So you want to grow pan cyans? and Cultivating panaeolus cyanescens
These are the best starting points to get the most out of your pans because if you do a regular mono you will be lacking in 1 of the 3 factors needed (Fae, heat, humidity) and your yield will suffer.
Check out also the Official copelandia thread where you can discuss with other pan cultivators.
A useful tip, that thread is large, you can search it by going to the search engine and copy pasting the threads name and next to it key terms you want to find, like this:
"Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread temps humidity fae" etc.
Good luck
dont remember what the casing in the vid is but you can make your own with 50/50 peat and verm, pasteurized for 1-1:30 hr and pH'd to 7.8-8 with hydrated lime.
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Just make sure there is some bovine poop in there and you should be ok.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: bw86]
#27139123 - 01/10/21 07:24 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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as far as pan subs are concerned. horse(equine) manure is a better choice than cow(bovine) horse has a much much better texture and dosent become as muddy as cow manure does. i have lately just been using a 50/50 mix of chopped wheat straw and field aged/leeched and shredded horse manure.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: jcm4620]
#27139125 - 01/10/21 07:29 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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oh shit, thank you for the correction. Ima city boy. I thought they were the same thing. I was trying to tell him not to shit in his sub himself. I use bagged homedepot crap. Because thats what i can get. Im pretty sure there is a word that lumps the two together but i cant find it.
Anyway I just found this and figured i would post it. Bovine is a term relating to cattle. Caprine is a term relating to goats. Equine is a term relating to horses, mules, zebras, and asses. Herd is a grouping of a single species of livestock. There may be exceptions to the term’s usage outside of cattle, horses, asses, swine, and rabbits. Ovine is a term relating to sheep. Porcine is a term relating to swine.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: bw86]
#27139129 - 01/10/21 07:32 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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jcm u still going 1:4 grain/sub ratio?
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yuppers even playin with a 1.5
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: bw86]
#27139330 - 01/10/21 09:33 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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You might be thinking ruminants, which cattle are, but horses are monogastric herbivores. This is likely why they have different manure because of how they digest grasses. Cows have four stomachs and digest grass more than horses, making it more "muddy". Horse manure has only partially digested grasses.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: jcm4620]
#27139347 - 01/10/21 09:40 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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bw im also a city boy a big city lol but the best thing you can do to get good free horse manure from a pasture is to hop in the car drive outta the city ur in and into the rural ouskirt areas a d search for a place where horses are out and about. then park the car walk up to the door and very politely ask if you could walk the field for manure for your garden. i have never ever been told no. ppl are usually always very friendly and super helpful and will tell you that you can fake all you want. hell half the time they will have a giant pile they will walk you over to and say here just gake it from here. if this happens just make sure you ask if it was stable manure or if it was collected from the field. most the time its a mix of both and i try to stay away from that. id rather have nuggets from the field thats the good stuff. so if that happens just tell them you dont want stable manure cuz its usually soaked in urine and just fuckin nasty. i promise you that if you do this you will have more manure than you can possibly need. unless ur like jake where u need a fuckin dumptruck full😂😂 but i promise it will work perfectly. i always just tell ppl tho dont show up reaking of weed in a dead t shirt
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: jcm4620]
#27139409 - 01/10/21 10:07 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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I've used straight coir and vermiculite, coir, vermiculite, poo from either cows, horses or chickens. And straight horse or cow poo.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: jcm4620]
#27139420 - 01/10/21 10:13 AM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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Maybe the word I was thinking was Ungulate but that doesn't ring a bell
JCM great tip. One I have used many times for garden manure. Problem is I have no space to store any poop. So a 15 min run to homedepot when I need a few bags just works for me.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: bw86]
#27139790 - 01/10/21 01:04 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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bw86 said: Maybe the word I was thinking was Ungulate but that doesn't ring a bell
JCM great tip. One I have used many times for garden manure. Problem is I have no space to store any poop. So a 15 min run to homedepot when I need a few bags just works for me.
Pretty sure thats the word you were looking for, I know that I couldn't think of it at the time. I've used Black know brand from home depot or lowes, can't remember. I recommend mixing the coir and manure together with some vermiculite before adding water or it can be quite messy. Use the bucket tek or something similar to pasteurize the substrate before adding the spawn. When its cold outside, I do the bucket tek inside using an old comforter to insulate the bucket by wrapping it up in the blanket to keep the heat in.
Edit: corrected spelling and punctuation.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Doc9151]
#27139819 - 01/10/21 01:12 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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i strongly disagree with using coir at all in a pan sub. in my past experiences doin so they tend to trich out super fast especially if coir is in a casing. i just had terrible results with it. even in a control experiement on 2 occasions the shit triched out
thats not to say you or others havnt had good results. i just know i hated it and that was the point that made me switch to just straw and horse manure and i havent looked back since
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: jcm4620]
#27139827 - 01/10/21 01:16 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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Wow, I have never had an issue with it unless I'm using manure and didn't pasteurize correctly. It's been a while since I've read some of your stuff so I will go back and see what you're using. Whatever it is, it's working for you.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Doc9151]
#27139859 - 01/10/21 01:30 PM (3 years, 18 days ago) |
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i need to go back n update my write up as far as my ratios go but all i have been using is a chopped wheat straw and a field aged dehydratedand shredded horse manure. i was using a 60%straw and 40% manure mix but i got lazy a while ago and i decided to try a 50/50 straw and manure mix and i didnt notice a bit of difference at all both in yield and in terms of life of the substrate. i have been using the 50/50 now over the last 3 grows i have done. so due to the easier way to measure it out im jusg usin a 50/50 straw and manure mix from here on out.
as for my casing mix i use a 50/50 mix of peat and a coarse grade verm ph balanced to 7.5 with food grade calcium carbonate powder from walmart. i shoot for 7.5 but anywhere in the 7-8 area is fine.
both the sub and the casing are pasteurized👍👍
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