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OfflineMr.Fujiwawa
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I dont wana trip anymore * 2
    #27138807 - 01/09/21 11:52 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

When I trip on mushrooms and DMT I experience paranormal activity level shit.
I don't see these things as drugs anymore. Its more like the tent of meeting from the bible where Moses's tribe would talk to God. But when someone entered the tent of meeting without being called upon they would die instantly.

That's how I feel about mushrooms. If I eat them again I fear of getting tortured or messing up my brain.

I'm not a newbie either I've eaten mushrooms over 20 times in 2 years.

My last trip was 2 months ago.

I'm sad and lonely and want to escape again but fear the consequences.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Mr.Fujiwawa] * 1
    #27138819 - 01/10/21 12:01 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Seek therapy, friend. They aren't good for everyone. One mans poison is another mans cure.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: bitcrazyy]
    #27138823 - 01/10/21 12:09 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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bitcrazyy said:
Seek therapy, friend. They aren't good for everyone. One mans poison is another mans cure.




Agreed.

IMO to get the benefits out of psychedelics you kinda of have to be doing it for the right reasons or at least be in the right mindset. I wouldn't think fear, loneliness and sadness qualifies for that, its more asking for trouble.

Indeed seek help and get yourself sorted before diving back into psychedelics. It doesn't hurt to take a break and seek other forms of therapy.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Mr.Fujiwawa]
    #27138846 - 01/10/21 12:34 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Mr.Fujiwawa said:
I don't see these things as drugs anymore. Its more like the tent of meeting from the bible where Moses's tribe would talk to God. But when someone entered the tent of meeting without being called upon they would die instantly.





sounds legit. if someone walked into my tent of godly fortune i would want god to smite them for being curious!


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Mr.Fujiwawa]
    #27138850 - 01/10/21 12:37 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

20 times in 2 years, IMO feels like a lot. you might want to do what the other folks said, and seek therapy. Or you might want to take some time off... take 2, 3 4, months off. 24 months in 2 years, and you've done it 20+ times. Not sure if you're adding other drugs to these two years, but that could be a thing(weed, alcohol, etc.). Mushies are still a toxin. Like anything in the world, too much of anything is not good. take a break. Come back to it a few months later. Maybe you're going through some stuff in life?


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Mr.Fujiwawa] * 2
    #27138851 - 01/10/21 12:43 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Mr.Fujiwawa said:
When I trip on mushrooms and DMT I experience paranormal activity level shit.
I don't see these things as drugs anymore. Its more like the tent of meeting from the bible where Moses's tribe would talk to God. But when someone entered the tent of meeting without being called upon they would die instantly.

That's how I feel about mushrooms. If I eat them again I fear of getting tortured or messing up my brain.

I'm not a newbie either I've eaten mushrooms over 20 times in 2 years.

My last trip was 2 months ago.

I'm sad and lonely and want to escape again but fear the consequences.




Actual psychologist here; seek a professional my friend, at least for your baseline mental health.

If you need assistance finding resources in your area, :pm: me.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #27139587 - 01/10/21 11:33 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

This is simply the perspective of one individual, but looking back all of my negative experiences yielded positive results. I have tripped hundreds of times, mostly alone and with 5g or higher doses. Many of those trips had moments when I was telling myself I was finished tripping, but something kept telling me to persevere.

You are correct in your comparison to the tent, but that is only the beginning. At least from my experience, the mushrooms will provide the necessary purifications and consecrations required to prepare you for entry.

It was a leap of faith, but placing myself in a solitary environment where calling for help was not an option is what got me through it.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: blckmynnse8]
    #27139599 - 01/10/21 11:38 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

There's something dark and disturbing in your psyche that's bothering you, but you might not know what it is, or even realize it

You're gonna need to talk with someone

Take a break from psychedelics.

As soon as you feel like you're in a good headspace, you can likely enjoy tripping again. You can always try new things during your trips. Learning how to mediate helps a lot

Good luck and I hope things good better


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Mr.Fujiwawa]
    #27140759 - 01/10/21 08:54 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Mr.Fujiwawa said:
When I trip on mushrooms and DMT I experience paranormal activity level shit.




Uhm, so what's the problem?  They are well known to do that. :solidnod:

Could be they're telling you something though.  :thataintright:


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: skOsH]
    #27141033 - 01/10/21 11:39 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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skOsH said:
There's something dark and disturbing in your psyche that's bothering you, but you might not know what it is, or even realize it

You're gonna need to talk with someone

Take a break from psychedelics.

As soon as you feel like you're in a good headspace, you can likely enjoy tripping again. You can always try new things during your trips. Learning how to mediate helps a lot

Good luck and I hope things good better




Correct. The same user told me in another thread that speaking to a professional "is for cucks".

That's all the context you need for this person's paradigm.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Mr.Fujiwawa] * 1
    #27141376 - 01/11/21 07:19 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded. They are biased and can't do anything for you that you can't do for yourself. Anyone with a modicum of self awareness is wasting their time with a therapist. The supernatural is real. Can't help you with that. Instead of listening to these dorks saying "Seek professional help so you can keep doing drugs" you either take an extended break, stop, or seek your own spiritual guidance. That's the best advice you're going to get.

A lot of people don't experience these things, so they think they are right. There is nothing wrong with them, so there must be something wrong with you. This is how people work. But psychedelics aren't anything in particular but a new set of eyes. Some people are more observant than others, like not walking into a glass door.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #27141430 - 01/11/21 07:59 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

This guy said it. I agree completely but also a support system is really crucial in life in general... So I'd think about who you have to talk to and if not why not and what you can do to move in the direction of having a positive support system of humans in your life. It's really really good just to be able to talk to someone.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Mr.Fujiwawa] * 3
    #27141432 - 01/11/21 08:00 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Mr.Fujiwawa said:
I'm sad and lonely and want to escape again but fear the consequences.



This sounds like you're resisting addressing something that is bothering you in your life. Tripping is easier than doing this thing, but while tripping your higher self feels guilty for escaping that responsibility. You're at a crossroads where you can continue to trip but feel worse about yourself for it, or take a break and come back when you've 'earned' another visit or at least satisfied some things on your mind.

I'm there myself. I spent a few years just aimlessly dabbling in psychedelics and I guess it's a "once you get the message, hang up the phone" type of thing. I was missing out on a lot of other opportunities in my life and had to shift focus to those for a while. I'm so close though to earning true peace of mind, self confidence, and calm. I finally feel like I'll have space and time to trip again, only this time better than ever because it will be justified.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: larry.fisherman] * 2
    #27141862 - 01/11/21 11:34 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded.

A lot of people don't experience these things, so they think they are right




Yeah crippling TRD and complex PTSD means i am weak minded and I don't experience problems.

Also when you labeled your own advice as the best advice, probably it because you found something that works for you and that's it

I guess veterans who are doing therapy with MDMA are weak minded


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: skOsH]
    #27141910 - 01/11/21 12:00 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Okay, bad example about the soldiers. They did enlist to carry a gun for a Neo fascist regime. Not all but the military is predatory like that. So you will gather weak minded individuals in that system.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
    #27141930 - 01/11/21 12:15 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Great post Icon.
I would seek therapy friend. I empathize with the wanting to escape. Psychedelics can be great for that. However, eventually they stop being enjoyable like that as they are very deep drugs... and as noted above your sub-concious will start to get annoyed you aren't tackling your troubles and instead are engaged in a safety behaviour of avoidance.

Get a licensed psychologist to engage in some talk therapy with.
Take a break from psychedelics as you appear to be at the point where using them recreationally starts to bite back.
You will still be able to use them in future if you want to. But for now, your mind is telling you that there's other stuff for you to focus on. Address the stuff that's bothering you psychologically and then you may return to psychedelics if you please. You may then find that your start using them as an adjunct to what you learnt in therapy - instead of as a way to escape the troubles on your mind.

And larry.fisherman.....  I don't know what to say to you. You don't seem to be a very nice person for starters. Insulting people with mental health issues - calling them weak minded, are you serious? In addition to insulting everyone in this thread actually addressing the OP without a private agenda.
Open your mind, be more compassionate and if not - shut up and keep your nasty thoughts to yourself.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: skOsH] * 1
    #27141994 - 01/11/21 12:54 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Quote:

larry.fisherman said:
No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded.

A lot of people don't experience these things, so they think they are right




Yeah crippling TRD and complex PTSD means i am weak minded and I don't experience problems.

Also when you labeled your own advice as the best advice, probably it because you found something that works for you and that's it

I guess veterans who are doing therapy with MDMA are weak minded



I have PTSD, genius. You need a professional to what, ask you questions while you're high? Having mental health issues is "weak-minded." Sorry to burst your bubble. That is coming from someone with mental health issues. Therapy is useless for a lot of people. Can you tell me where this thread fell off the rails? That would be the first response. Guy uses psychedelics, says it's spiritually intense. The response is "seek therapy." Why even post is my question.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: bob5] * 1
    #27142000 - 01/11/21 12:58 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

All therapists do is ask you shit you could ask yourself. If you want to pay someone for that because you got high on psychedelics and people on the internet told you that's bad, be my guest. This is called context. Find me nasty all you want, it clearly helps me see who can't think for themselves. Bob


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: larry.fisherman] * 2
    #27142028 - 01/11/21 01:16 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

larry is being realistic. finding the right person to talk to is hard. aside from loaded shaman, you would be hard pressed to find a therapist with enough experience that is relevant to what mr.F is going thru. hell, there is no guarantee that therapy is going to help at all.

i sought professional medical help after a suicide attempt and all that did was further my contempt for doctors because i wasnt treated like a person by the doctor or any of the inexperienced staff they had in charge of the ward. most were younger than I. "how can they relate?" i asked myself.

i know there are great doctors and therapists out there but they are few and far between.

good luck mr.F

we are here to talk it out with you (for free). open yourself up. ignore the troll responses and youll be fine.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: split_by_nine] * 1
    #27142073 - 01/11/21 01:49 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

He's better off talking to a therapist than anyone here. You don't need a therapist who has gone through what you have, just someone who is good at listening and bouncing ideas back and forth and giving a higher perspective. I would recommend Fujiwawa seek out a licensed therapist.. sure, some therapists might not be much help, but if you search around you can find great ones who can really guide you through the issues you are facing.

The psychedelics are turning on you because you're trying to ignore something that is bothering you and they aren't going to let you escape like that like you've done in the past. As bob said, you can return to psychedelics in the future but now might be a good time to take a break.

All the best, Mr. Fujiwawa


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #27142234 - 01/11/21 03:14 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Bang on, you just need someone who can practice compassionate listening.

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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: split_by_nine]
    #27142250 - 01/11/21 03:24 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

You’re absolutely right about getting a good counsellor, or therapist.

I have seen many counsellors, and for various reasons throughout my life. I’m now 54. The first therapist I saw was in 1988 after I’d done too much acid over too short a period, then had a heavy mushroom trip, then checked into the psychiatric ward of the local hospital, as I really thought “I was going mad”.

I didn’t know what going mad was like, but I felt existential distress. I was suddenly terrified of dying. I had the classic “1,000 yard stare” credited to “acid heads”.

So I was sent home and visited weekly by a drugs counsellor. After a few sessions I began to get suspicious. He was just too clean, if that makes sense. After about 3 months I asked him direct if he’d taken acid, and no he hadn’t. All his answers were from a textbook.

I immediately asked him to leave and I didn’t see him again. What was the point, he could not relate to what I was going through. I worked it out myself in the end.

Anyway full circle, wife of 22 years, partner of more or less 37 years left in October last year. So ive seen a counsellor twice now for my heartbreak. He is the first counsellor in years who has spoken any sense to me. I have seen many over the years for depression; some of the best in the Uk treated me, at The Priory. I was shacked up at times with Amy Winehouse, and Susan Boyle. But no matter how much money was spent, none of it helped that much, if at all.

I think counsellors are like anti-depressant medication. You need to try a few different ones until you find one that works for you. Then you deal with your problems and get off the meds ASAP.

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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: DJ Ed]
    #27142924 - 01/11/21 11:51 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

where's the op?


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27143085 - 01/12/21 02:23 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

You have to find a resource that works FOR YOU.

Once you do that, you have a serious platform for change.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Mr.Fujiwawa]
    #27143111 - 01/12/21 03:04 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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Mr.Fujiwawa said:
When I trip on mushrooms and DMT I experience paranormal activity level shit.
I don't see these things as drugs anymore. Its more like the tent of meeting from the bible where Moses's tribe would talk to God. But when someone entered the tent of meeting without being called upon they would die instantly.

That's how I feel about mushrooms. If I eat them again I fear of getting tortured or messing up my brain.

I'm not a newbie either I've eaten mushrooms over 20 times in 2 years.

My last trip was 2 months ago.

I'm sad and lonely and want to escape again but fear the consequences.




if you feel that way about taking them then you should definitely not fight that. mushrooms and DMT should not be used to escape in my opinion anyway, although i guess they are better than things like alcohol, benzos, opiates, etc.
sounds to me like you have other issues going on that you should figure out first. i agree with bitcrazyy, if therapy is an option you should give that a go.

there is no harm in giving the trips a break, there will be plenty of time to trip in the future. for now you should focus on what is making you want to escape and hopefully tackle that problem.

good luck. when you feel lonely youve always got us. i know its the internet but we are real people still :heart:


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #27143123 - 01/12/21 03:24 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded. They are biased and can't do anything for you that you can't do for yourself. Anyone with a modicum of self awareness is wasting their time with a therapist. The supernatural is real. Can't help you with that. Instead of listening to these dorks saying "Seek professional help so you can keep doing drugs" you either take an extended break, stop, or seek your own spiritual guidance. That's the best advice you're going to get.

A lot of people don't experience these things, so they think they are right. There is nothing wrong with them, so there must be something wrong with you. This is how people work. But psychedelics aren't anything in particular but a new set of eyes. Some people are more observant than others, like not walking into a glass door.




thats pretty naive. every case of mental illness, even every case of depression is unique. what works for one person does not work for another and there has never been a single fix in the history of man.
it is possible that you are actually on to something and you have good reason to be saying this, but since you are writing it on shroomery and not on a psychology paper im going to assume there is no study or testing done to back it up and you are actually basing it on your own experience, then confirmed your bias through subconsciously noting cases where people agreed with you.

that said, i do agree to some extent with what you are saying, but you misunderstand what this means for others.
you say about self awareness, which i do agree is the best course of action, and gives you tools better than any therapist. most people are not self aware though and it is not a simple matter of being self aware, that takes years of conscious effort, thats if they even know it exists.
what do those people do? not seek help at all? just ponder on what it might mean to be self aware?
therapy is far more likely to succeed than stabbing in the dark about self awareness and has a much better record too.


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    #27143506 - 01/12/21 10:20 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

when it is time to get laid - don't cloud the issue by searching for a soul mate.

same with psychological problems,
get (your mind) laid (open)
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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #27143550 - 01/12/21 10:34 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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LosTresOjos said:
Okay, bad example about the soldiers. They did enlist to carry a gun for a Neo fascist regime. Not all but the military is predatory like that. So you will gather weak minded individuals in that system.



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No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded. They are biased and can't do anything for you that you can't do for yourself. Anyone with a modicum of self awareness is wasting their time with a therapist. The supernatural is real. Can't help you with that. Instead of listening to these dorks saying "Seek professional help so you can keep doing drugs" you either take an extended break, stop, or seek your own spiritual guidance. That's the best advice you're going to get.

A lot of people don't experience these things, so they think they are right. There is nothing wrong with them, so there must be something wrong with you. This is how people work. But psychedelics aren't anything in particular but a new set of eyes. Some people are more observant than others, like not walking into a glass door.



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All therapists do is ask you shit you could ask yourself. If you want to pay someone for that because you got high on psychedelics and people on the internet told you that's bad, be my guest. This is called context. Find me nasty all you want, it clearly helps me see who can't think for themselves. Bob




Damn guys, why the hate on therapy and soldiers. Anyone trying to live life better might get some valuable insight from therapy. And everyone deserves empathy and help, especially soldiers. Help is help. Help is good. I feel sorry that you guys feel the need to hate on stuff like this. Bad vibes.

Jesus fuck. I would think that of all places, people would be open minded here.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Mr.Fujiwawa]
    #27143653 - 01/12/21 11:26 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Listen to what you feel. Kanbbalistic tradition states that you shouldn't venture into the spiritual realms until you are 40, and have been married etcetera. I take this to mean that you need to have a well developed ego before you work on losing it for spiritual exploration. I found that when I tripped too much, it was always the same trip. I needed to have some Life between trips to process in order to make use of tripping. At one point in my life (I'm 59) I avoided psychedelics for twenty years. LOL I remember as a teenager saying, "Woah I can't imagine tripping at 50. Maybe your trips have been telling you to make some changes on Earth here and come back when tripping isn't a need to escape Earth, but instead a way to learn how to live on Earth better. We need on the job (earthly) training too lol.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: greenladel]
    #27143685 - 01/12/21 11:44 AM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded. They are biased and can't do anything for you that you can't do for yourself. Anyone with a modicum of self awareness is wasting their time with a therapist. The supernatural is real. Can't help you with that. Instead of listening to these dorks saying "Seek professional help so you can keep doing drugs" you either take an extended break, stop, or seek your own spiritual guidance. That's the best advice you're going to get.

A lot of people don't experience these things, so they think they are right. There is nothing wrong with them, so there must be something wrong with you. This is how people work. But psychedelics aren't anything in particular but a new set of eyes. Some people are more observant than others, like not walking into a glass door.




thats pretty naive. every case of mental illness, even every case of depression is unique. what works for one person does not work for another and there has never been a single fix in the history of man.
it is possible that you are actually on to something and you have good reason to be saying this, but since you are writing it on shroomery and not on a psychology paper im going to assume there is no study or testing done to back it up and you are actually basing it on your own experience, then confirmed your bias through subconsciously noting cases where people agreed with you.

that said, i do agree to some extent with what you are saying, but you misunderstand what this means for others.
you say about self awareness, which i do agree is the best course of action, and gives you tools better than any therapist. most people are not self aware though and it is not a simple matter of being self aware, that takes years of conscious effort, thats if they even know it exists.
what do those people do? not seek help at all? just ponder on what it might mean to be self aware?
therapy is far more likely to succeed than stabbing in the dark about self awareness and has a much better record too.




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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
    #27143718 - 01/12/21 12:00 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

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Okay, bad example about the soldiers. They did enlist to carry a gun for a Neo fascist regime. Not all but the military is predatory like that. So you will gather weak minded individuals in that system.




Also people who have non combat PTSD sucks too

Idk, I don't fault people for needing to talk things out. It's the most common way to hash through emotions, feelings, and memories

I just feel like we shouldn't judge people if they feel like talking to someone

If they don't, then it's just their personal choice either way


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Neurotech]
    #27145049 - 01/13/21 04:57 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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Kanbbalistic tradition states that you shouldn't venture into the spiritual realms until you are 40, and have been married etcetera. I take this to mean that you need to have a well developed ego before you work on losing it for spiritual exploration.




i agree, but i think it benefits for the opposite reason. as you get older you let go of your ego more and pay more attention to more important things, so i think you need to be ready to let go of your ego before it is ripped from you.

either way, with age usually comes wisdom, at least compared to your younger self, so this is good advice regardless :thumbup:


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: skOsH]
    #27145063 - 01/13/21 05:08 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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I just feel like we shouldn't judge people if they feel like talking to someone





talking to people is at the core of what we are. people who think talking does not help are too closed off to see the benefits. those people also do not benefit from talking because they are detached from other people.

fact is, we are social animals, communicating with each other is stimulating and causes reactions that can help a persons mental state in incredible ways.. or not, but it rarely makes things worse.
but therapists do more than just talk and ask you questions. a good therapist will be able to help you find and execute a self improvement plan that suits you.

i think it is important to find a therapist that you click with though. even if they are a good therapist, if you you do not like them off the bat for any reason (justifiable or not) then people tend to not succeed with that therapist. there is no shame in moving to another and trying them, then another, and another, go through 100 if you need to, the right one is out there somewhere. i think too many people walk away from the idea of therapy based on one or only few experiences of therapists.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: greenladel] * 2
    #27145118 - 01/13/21 06:02 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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Kanbbalistic tradition states that you shouldn't venture into the spiritual realms until you are 40, and have been married etcetera. I take this to mean that you need to have a well developed ego before you work on losing it for spiritual exploration.




i agree, but i think it benefits for the opposite reason. as you get older you let go of your ego more and pay more attention to more important things, so i think you need to be ready to let go of your ego before it is ripped from you.

either way, with age usually comes wisdom, at least compared to your younger self, so this is good advice regardless :thumbup:




I’m not sure I agree with that statement. I think the ego gets much more rigid and engrained as you age, hence the perceived additional benefits for the more mature tripper when their ego is turned off for a while.....

The ego, contained in the default mode network is wired for automatic behaviour in response to threats, to ensure you survive. It’s these patterns of thinking that are removed by mushrooms, in my opinion.

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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #27145757 - 01/13/21 11:57 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

I've also noticed what DJ Ed mentioned. Most older people stop tripping because they are too scared to lose their ego.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #27145814 - 01/13/21 12:22 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded. They are biased and can't do anything for you that you can't do for yourself. Anyone with a modicum of self awareness is wasting their time with a therapist. The supernatural is real. Can't help you with that. Instead of listening to these dorks saying "Seek professional help so you can keep doing drugs" you either take an extended break, stop, or seek your own spiritual guidance. That's the best advice you're going to get.




That is extraordinarily irresponsible advice in my opinion. I doubt you have any idea how therapy can help. Likely you have had some bad experiences with someone else making you go or something like that. Or, you may have had a bad clinician. . Similar to shrooms, it doesn't go well if you don't trust, let go and participate. Really the same mechanism as you uncover previously avoided unconscious material. Just because you are successful in seeking your spiritual goals doesn't mean that psychotherapy is hogwash. You need trust, hope and some courage, similar to shrooms.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #27145834 - 01/13/21 12:31 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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No one can help you. Therapy is definitely for the weak-minded.

A lot of people don't experience these things, so they think they are right




Yeah crippling TRD and complex PTSD means i am weak minded and I don't experience problems.

Also when you labeled your own advice as the best advice, probably it because you found something that works for you and that's it

I guess veterans who are doing therapy with MDMA are weak minded



I have PTSD, genius. You need a professional to what, ask you questions while you're high? Having mental health issues is "weak-minded." Sorry to burst your bubble. That is coming from someone with mental health issues. Therapy is useless for a lot of people. Can you tell me where this thread fell off the rails? That would be the first response. Guy uses psychedelics, says it's spiritually intense. The response is "seek therapy." Why even post is my question.




I have PTSD as well, TRD, fibromyalgia. It's not fun. I don't know why, but i guess I am weak minded. Thanks.

Peace. I'm done. I gave advice and I guess that's bad

OP, good luck :smile:


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Azure Essence]
    #27145844 - 01/13/21 12:36 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

The very good reasons that Kabbalists are suppressed from involvement until they are over 40 include the following:

static perspective -  the new views and insights are less likely to upset the stability of the students and their families due to decades of growth and practice. Younger students may erroneously begin to think that numbers actually mean something they do not, and they may also think that Kabbala gives them more right than the person beside him to declare extraordinary values in everyday happenings.

detached transcendence - after years of practice (phylacteries, prayers, fasts, postures and gestures with siddur and talit) it is reasonable to proceed to absorption while the trained part of the self continues in the ritual tasks.

perpetuity of the cult - to the extent that holy practitioners continue to inspire the congregation and keep it on track, this mature access only feature of the mystical part the religion enables the culture to weather diasporas, and other major challenges.

Kabbala is not for the masses, except as a cute and cheaply obtained materialistic spiritualism (eg. Madonna).

I have kept my distance from Kabbala as I am not really into joining with others in Jewish spiritual experimentation and practice.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #27146085 - 01/13/21 02:49 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

Pretty much paying someone to hold you accountable to your own bullshit. A lot of people are blind to their own bullshit though. So, sometimes it does pay to seek that type of help. Whatever gets the job done..

I'll tell you what though, mushroom trips have held me more accountable for my bullshit than anything else ever has. And for that, I will continue to consume when needed.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: DJ Ed]
    #27146260 - 01/13/21 04:43 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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Kanbbalistic tradition states that you shouldn't venture into the spiritual realms until you are 40, and have been married etcetera. I take this to mean that you need to have a well developed ego before you work on losing it for spiritual exploration.




i agree, but i think it benefits for the opposite reason. as you get older you let go of your ego more and pay more attention to more important things, so i think you need to be ready to let go of your ego before it is ripped from you.

either way, with age usually comes wisdom, at least compared to your younger self, so this is good advice regardless :thumbup:




I’m not sure I agree with that statement. I think the ego gets much more rigid and engrained as you age, hence the perceived additional benefits for the more mature tripper when their ego is turned off for a while.....

The ego, contained in the default mode network is wired for automatic behaviour in response to threats, to ensure you survive. It’s these patterns of thinking that are removed by mushrooms, in my opinion.

Mush love
DJ Ed




interesting. everybody is different when it comes to ego. it just goes to show they can do wonders for a wide variety of people, particularly in regards to the ego.

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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: greenladel]
    #27146270 - 01/13/21 04:50 PM (3 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: greenladel]
    #27146690 - 01/13/21 09:42 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

All that angst over a complete fucking idiot (scan the 5 posts). :cookiemonster:


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: greenladel]
    #27147453 - 01/14/21 10:32 AM (3 years, 14 days ago)

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Kanbbalistic tradition states that you shouldn't venture into the spiritual realms until you are 40, and have been married etcetera. I take this to mean that you need to have a well developed ego before you work on losing it for spiritual exploration.




i agree, but i think it benefits for the opposite reason. as you get older you let go of your ego more and pay more attention to more important things, so i think you need to be ready to let go of your ego before it is ripped from you.

either way, with age usually comes wisdom, at least compared to your younger self, so this is good advice regardless :thumbup:




I’m not sure I agree with that statement. I think the ego gets much more rigid and engrained as you age, hence the perceived additional benefits for the more mature tripper when their ego is turned off for a while.....

The ego, contained in the default mode network is wired for automatic behaviour in response to threats, to ensure you survive. It’s these patterns of thinking that are removed by mushrooms, in my opinion.

Mush love
DJ Ed




interesting. everybody is different when it comes to ego. it just goes to show they can do wonders for a wide variety of people, particularly in regards to the ego.

:peace:




I think getting away from our origins and living in this world here is how we are programmed. Young kids are already out there, fresh from the places we visit when tripping, as they don't have a fully developed ego. Some older people do indeed become aware of spiritual and non-materialistic priorities, especially as we get closer to death. But many don't, and cling to this world in a rigid way, much like trippers who are not ready to go beyond the self. A flower can't produce seed until it grows and flowers. We should be cautious about ego loss before having a well developed ego to fall back on when the shrooms wear off. I belive that the lessons learned in psychedelic stats are not an escape per se, but rather intended for us to apply in "real" life. So we need an intact ego to function in this world, and especially to take a trip and come back whole, even better.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Mr.Fujiwawa]
    #27149289 - 01/15/21 07:57 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

feel you there dude.  same for me. 

i've had some really nice trips, usually with this girl i used to spend a lot of time with until i moved. we used to pick and eat lib caps on winter weekends.  but there was a real sense of adventure and experience about going into those nights. picking, coming up together, going on a walk and then coming back home and staying up late with the lights off eating chocolate and listening to music, talking crap about what we saw or were thinking about etc.  i used to have fun with them back then, saw a lot of funny, weird and interesting shit.  there were a few occassions when we both went under for 10 minutes or so but with the other one in the opposite mood we'd pull out of it pretty instantly.

if i just "acquire" them and eat them by my self which was the case since, more often than not i'll end up just feeling really odd about everything, like i'm feeling a different side to reality that i don't want to be seeing.  i just get this icky feeling about everything i'm looking at and the voice in my head just spirals out of control even on level 1 doses.  i just want it to end and i go in panick mode, one night i was seeing ghosts and mad shit, was bad.  i think my solo trip days are gone, even microdosing.

i think it's interesting to experience this feeling about reality, but,  i definitely look at them skeptically now, or actually since writing this post, something that you need to do socially with people you really have affection for.


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: monsieurtrips] * 1
    #27149497 - 01/15/21 10:22 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

Therapy and psychedelic use have an awful lot in common. Both involve getting
in touch with aspects of yourself that you are not aware of. There are alot of kinds of therapy. And now, there are a lot of clinicians using psychedelics to improve the process and achieve better symptom relief. Anyone who says that it is hard to find a good therapist match may well be right. Anyone who says that therapy is useless, or the same as talking to a friend is ignorant of the research in and practice of psychotherapy. Its just a ridiculous assumption.

There are many people who say that using psychedelics for spiritual growth is cheating or innappropriate (I disagree). They will say that you are deluding yourself. And you will know they are wrong, because you know your experiences, and we are geting research to this effect now. However, you are generalizing and making statements from apparently your experience alone and applying it to everyone.

Its really a disservice to people who need help. Its hard enough for most people to make that call. There is a lot of fear about opening up, being vulnerable, fear of it going badly, and uncovering parts of yourself that may be unsavory or frightening. Hey wait a minute, that sounds a lot like tripping.

Bless you on your journey. Its not the same as everyone's. Namaste.


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    #27149619 - 01/15/21 11:44 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

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All that angst over a complete fucking idiot (scan the 5 posts). :cookiemonster:




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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27149871 - 01/15/21 02:32 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

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Women are having sex with other men and forcing you to watch.

Porn is gigacucked because you are getting off to the pleasure she's getting from another man.
You look at her coomie face but shes making that face because of Tyrone stretching out her holes, not you.

And then when you're done you go on instagram and see your high school crush with chad.

If you see a girl walking with her boyfriend on the street, you just got cucked.
That bitch is cheating on you before you even met her.







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Based on your other posts, and the density of the vibe I get from you here, you should seek a professional ASAP.




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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Mr.Fujiwawa]
    #27150282 - 01/15/21 06:24 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

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When I trip on mushrooms and DMT I experience paranormal activity level shit.
I don't see these things as drugs anymore. Its more like the tent of meeting from the bible where Moses's tribe would talk to God. But when someone entered the tent of meeting without being called upon they would die instantly.

That's how I feel about mushrooms. If I eat them again I fear of getting tortured or messing up my brain.

I'm not a newbie either I've eaten mushrooms over 20 times in 2 years.

My last trip was 2 months ago.

I'm sad and lonely and want to escape again but fear the consequences.




absolutely don't trip. I've never had anything good come out of tripping when I didn't 100% feel like it , and some people just shouldn't trip period. It's ok to do other things imo


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Re: I dont wana trip anymore [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #27150805 - 01/16/21 02:04 AM (3 years, 12 days ago)

I’d generally agree it’s not the best idea to trip if you don’t feel right.

But then here’s a caveat; a year ago I got so depressed my “set” was absolutely not right to trip. The depression had literally come out of nowhere but was a deep one. By the third day with no respite, I decided to press ahead and trip anyway to see if the mushrooms could help shift it.

The trip was pretty non-descript actually but I woke in the morning absolutely depression free. A year later I don’t know how psilocybin does this, I just know from empirical study that it does.

My wife left me 3 months back. Again after a 37 year relationship, me in the depths of despair, probably not the best “set”. But I went (accidentally) large night before NYE. The trip went south very quickly and I had no startling relationship revelations and no discernible after glow.

But when I woke I suddenly felt blessed to have been privileged to have spent so many years with my wife, I felt I could forgive her, and I felt I could move on as a single person. Again, don’t know how psilocybin does this.

I would urge anybody else in a similar situation to think carefully about taking mushrooms as it will not be a smooth ride, most probably. But even with the worst “set” imaginable mushrooms can and generally will help. Bear in mind you should take extra steps to ensure an appropriate “setting”.

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