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Training mycelium?
    #27138703 - 01/09/21 10:36 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Hello all,
I am wondering if it is possible to train mycelium to become more aggressive or consistent utilizing agar? I cant remember where I read this, but I could of sworn I read somewhere you can alternate a strain between MEA and PDA agar and the end result would be a more resilient and aggressive strain due to the difference in PH levels? Has anyone ever heard of anything like this?

I should also note: my goal is to not only grow cubensis but a variety of edible/medicinal mushrooms. I would like to train a strain to decompose various things for the sake of producing less garbage.(I'll assume the fruits wouldn't be edible)I read about people training oysters to decompose trash such as cigarette butts, small amounts of oil, etc. At this time I am ignorant about the deeper levels of mycology as a whole but where is a good starting point for me to get informed on the path I need to take to make this possible?


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: Nelane] * 1
    #27138708 - 01/09/21 10:40 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

im trainin mine to jump thru hoops and to fetch. its not goin too well tho. i think ima take it to a professional myc trainer for help. ๐Ÿ˜‚


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: jcm4620] * 1
    #27138744 - 01/09/21 11:06 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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im trainin mine to jump thru hoops and to fetch. its not goin too well tho. i think ima take it to a professional myc trainer for help. ๐Ÿ˜‚



solid answer. 10/10 would recommend. Never said I wasn't ignorant on the subject  :uhoh: I don't know anybody in person to give me advice on this or point me in the right direction. Just been reading/searching stuff for weeks until I decided to join this forum as it seems to be one of the best sources of information i've found


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: Nelane]
    #27138853 - 01/10/21 12:46 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

๐Ÿ˜‚i was just bein a smartass and makin a joke

but yes this place is without a doubt the best source there is for information.

welcome to shroomery๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: jcm4620]
    #27138865 - 01/10/21 01:03 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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๐Ÿ˜‚i was just bein a smartass and makin a joke

but yes this place is without a doubt the best source there is for information.

welcome to shroomery๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘




Happy to be here! Seems to be a nice community with a plethora of information, just got to know where to look. Search bar hasn't helped with my current question though, possibly because its delusional and not possible? IDK. Let me know if it sounds crazy anybody, I appreciate honesty. :smile:


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: Nelane]
    #27138902 - 01/10/21 02:15 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

its possible to select aggressive, fast growth that exhibits certain traits but u never know until u fruit it what it will produce


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: jcm4620]
    #27138923 - 01/10/21 02:35 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Are we pretending like the mycelium isnโ€™t training us now?


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: ModularMind]
    #27138948 - 01/10/21 03:01 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

touche


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: jcm4620]
    #27138973 - 01/10/21 03:42 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

I think this idea is to abstract to be able to help. OP why not narrow down your concept to something more specific? Also why would you want to grow actives to decompose trash? Most wood lovers can decompose cellulose materials with out the illegal nature of the fungi.

  So if you want to grow a species of fungus that consumes cardboard look to edible gourmet strains and then pick one to work with and isolate the heavy decomposers and focus on that Variety of mushroom. I would have to say this is a years long endeavor, because you want to identify what traits you like the most like aggressive growth or speed of consumption. Then put that against the same variety or species as a control. Then over several years create a use case and possibly submit it to a mycological journal for grant money.


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: Sockadin]
    #27139737 - 01/10/21 12:42 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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I think this idea is to abstract to be able to help. OP why not narrow down your concept to something more specific? Also why would you want to grow actives to decompose trash? Most wood lovers can decompose cellulose materials with out the illegal nature of the fungi.

  So if you want to grow a species of fungus that consumes cardboard look to edible gourmet strains and then pick one to work with and isolate the heavy decomposers and focus on that Variety of mushroom. I would have to say this is a years long endeavor, because you want to identify what traits you like the most like aggressive growth or speed of consumption. Then put that against the same variety or species as a control. Then over several years create a use case and possibly submit it to a mycological journal for grant money.




This is exactly the sort of answer I was looking for. I am interested in any species of mushrooms including psilocybin for mental health reasons, and medicinal species such as reishi. Quite obsessive at this point to be honest. I wasn't even looking towards the grant or money side of things, but its good to know! So from what im gathering(due to nobody addressing it as true or crazy), the whole swapping between agar types to "train" a strain to endure various PH levels is delusional? Regardless, I plan on taking the time to make this dream work. Thank you again.


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: Nelane]
    #27139814 - 01/10/21 01:11 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

I've trained mine to drive a car and hit armored cars๐Ÿฅธ all kidding aside, jcm said it, you select those traits by performing isolations.


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: Doc9151]
    #27139830 - 01/10/21 01:17 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

the whole swapping agar media thing lacks a lot of logic and was old info a decade ago, very little growth happens on an agar dish or even several , especially when the 2d platform is taken into consideration so using Petri dishes doesn't work towards a long term goal , it's meant for germination, clean up, isolation, cloning and storage and the reason it's great for most of these is because of the limited cell division we get with plates


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: cronicr]
    #27139948 - 01/10/21 02:31 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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the whole swapping agar media thing lacks a lot of logic and was old info a decade ago, very little growth happens on an agar dish or even several , especially when the 2d platform is taken into consideration so using Petri dishes doesn't work towards a long term goal , it's meant for germination, clean up, isolation, cloning and storage and the reason it's great for most of these is because of the limited cell division we get with plates





Well makes sense why I can't find it again. probably some decade old document I read one night scrolling the internet. Thank you very much, got all the answers I was looking for now :laugh:


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: Nelane]
    #27140501 - 01/10/21 07:20 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Yeah so like Cron said, agar switching is old info. But pick a species that works for your goal and isolate down to 2 transfers and grow them out. I think Eatyoualive was the one who said something about transferring beyond 2 is a waste of time. I am not quoting just paraphrasing.


So if you love Reshi, do Reshi. Or Oysters do Oysters, once you have picked a strain then you can start on your quest.

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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: Sockadin]
    #27140535 - 01/10/21 07:34 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

lol i say that all the time ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: jcm4620]
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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: Sockadin]
    #27141281 - 01/11/21 04:54 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

are you suggesting coconuts migrate?


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: Sockadin]
    #27141302 - 01/11/21 05:39 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Yeah so like Cron said, agar switching is old info. But pick a species that works for your goal and isolate down to 2 transfers and grow them out. I think Eatyoualive was the one who said something about transferring beyond 2 is a waste of time. I am not quoting just paraphrasing.


So if you love Reshi, do Reshi. Or Oysters do Oysters, once you have picked a strain then you can start on your quest.

"What is your favorite color?"




Are you suggesting to go back to spores if you're unable to clean up a culture in two transfers?


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: Mr. Mushie]
    #27141310 - 01/11/21 05:51 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

yes i never go past t2 or 3 at the latest. if u cant get somethin grain worthy by then u should review your sterile tech. when u make 50 million transfers ur just thinning out the potential gene pool and i want mine as wide as possible that way i have a bigger selection of potential clones to choose from. a pretty plate dont mean dick.


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: jcm4620]
    #27141321 - 01/11/21 06:02 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Roger that. I've been going T3 as of late just to be cautious.


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Re: Training mycelium? [Re: ModularMind]
    #27141349 - 01/11/21 06:41 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Are we pretending like the mycelium isnโ€™t training us now?



Haha, it most definitely is...

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