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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi]
#27138274 - 01/09/21 07:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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California doesn't count <--- Trumps evidence.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138282 - 01/09/21 07:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also in regards to the first point they were going through a legal process because it was quite a close call in some states and it was a unique election with universal mail in voting (there were cases of people getting multiple ballots sent to multiple residences, there are many concerns and many Republicans, including Trump were opposed to it from the beginning.
But pretty quickly, options were being exhausted, the Trump team wasn't even bringing everything they were talking about publicly to court, they failed and at the point for most Republicans I think it became about challenging voter fraud because
Trump however presented it as if they acctually were able to change the results. yeah, he got some people riled up with what were at that point baseless claims with no real evidence and it was irresponsible for him to undermine the electoral system like the democrats did with their insane Russia conspiracy or like Stacy Abrams who claims to be the legitimate governor or Georgia. I didnt like the video he posted during the incident. again it didn't incite violence though.
You can not like something someone says without attributing the responsibility for violence to them.
I think Bernie and Obama suck as politicians and I think they are incredibly divisive. The same legal standard applies to them as everyone else.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Lynnch] 1
#27138297 - 01/09/21 07:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lynnch said: Trump claimed he won the popular vote.
Prominent Democrats denounced all of the violence over the summer. Protesters and Rioters/Looters are not the same thing.
I have said nothing about JD Salinger or John Lennon. We are talking about Trump.
1. Ok and that was stupid. Can you apply the same standard to both sides for one second? The democrats claimed baselessly that the president elect conspired with the Russian government to influence the election and far too many people still dont seem to have received the memo that that came up empty years ago and still talk as if its true.
2. Ok good now apply the same standard to Trump. He didnt expect for that to happen. when it did he told people to be peaceful.
3. Just because someone crazy person reads between lines that aren't there and waves a flag with Trump's name on it or reads a book by JD Salinger at the scene of the crime symbolically doesn't mean Trump or JD Salinger is responsible for violence.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi] 1
#27138301 - 01/09/21 07:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: IIRC liberals claimed that foreign actors influenced the election by influencing public opinion, not that the election results did not reflect what voters intended. Trump did claim in 2016 that there was a massive discrepancy between legally cast votes and the results though, and that he had actually won the 2016 popular vote.
Dont you think they undermined the electoral system when they promoted a conspiracy theory about the president elect colluding with a foreign power with no eviddence for years?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] 2
#27138302 - 01/09/21 07:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah it may not meet the legal standard for incitement, but it was he who led these people to believe that the election had been stolen and that the fate of the country rested on whether or not this injustice was allowed to stand. If all of that had actually been true, violent insurrection would be somewhat understandable. And in their minds it definitely is true.
There is also the matter of his not calling in the National Guard much earlier, and the question of whether it was he or Pence who eventually did it.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138306 - 01/09/21 07:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: IIRC liberals claimed that foreign actors influenced the election by influencing public opinion, not that the election results did not reflect what voters intended. Trump did claim in 2016 that there was a massive discrepancy between legally cast votes and the results though, and that he had actually won the 2016 popular vote.
Dont you think they undermined the electoral system when they promoted a conspiracy theory about the president elect colluding with a foreign power with no eviddence for years?
No, I don't believe that what I described casts doubt on the election system itself. Other than Trump's 2016 popular vote claims, which did cast doubt on how the election itself was conducted.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138322 - 01/09/21 07:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dont you think they undermined the electoral system when they promoted a conspiracy theory about the president elect colluding with a foreign power with no eviddence for years?
There was an actual investigation, where actual people caught actual charges . That's different than imaginary voter fraud bullshit where everything got promptly laughed out of court .
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] 2
#27138333 - 01/09/21 07:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: It doesn’t matter if you don’t think his words inspired their violence. The people who actually rioted were inspired to do so by his words. We know this because they said so, in posts where they discussed the violence that might be necessary.
Twitter finally banned him permanent because after he tweeted that he would not be going to the inaugural, some of his supporters were saying this was meant to communicate that it would be safe to attack the event.
It’s just easier to get rid of him and the hassle he creates
So if someone says "I killed that guy because of koods" you are responsible for murder. got it.
I geuss JD Salinger should be locked up for the murder of John Lennon.
I think leaders do bear some responsibility for the actions of their followers if they have been nspired by the leader, even if it’s a misunderstanding. I would think a leader would try to make sure his followers don’t do horrible acts in his name. The legacy of donald trump and his followers won’t be pretty. The movement has been tarnished beyond repair, and history will not speak kindly of these past four years. Its would be shameful to still support trump after Wednesday, people need to break from this dangerous personality cult.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138341 - 01/09/21 07:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: IIRC liberals claimed that foreign actors influenced the election by influencing public opinion, not that the election results did not reflect what voters intended. Trump did claim in 2016 that there was a massive discrepancy between legally cast votes and the results though, and that he had actually won the 2016 popular vote.
Dont you think they undermined the electoral system when they promoted a conspiracy theory about the president elect colluding with a foreign power with no eviddence for years?
The election was over before we found out about the investigation into possible collusion.
If anything, the fbi saying the Clinton investigation was being reopnened, while LYING about the fact that Trump was also under investigation a week before the election is a better example of electoral interference.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi] 1
#27138342 - 01/09/21 07:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: Yeah it may not meet the legal standard for incitement, but it was he who led these people to believe that the election had been stolen and that the fate of the country rested on whether or not this injustice was allowed to stand. If all of that had actually been true, violent insurrection would be somewhat understandable. And in their minds it definitely is true.
There is also the matter of his not calling in the National Guard much earlier, and the question of whether it was he or Pence who eventually did it.
If all that has been said about Trump by mainstream democrats is true then an insurrection is quite understandable. Including the baseless claims that he conspired with Russia to influence the election.
I'll clarify this again, I dont like when Trump is divisive. I think he is a product of and a response to the division. I think Trump should be held to the same standard as everyone else who preceded him when it comes to tearing apart the fabric of the country. and either way when it comes to attributing responsibility for violence I have a strict standard. Incitement of violence means responsibility for violence, anything less does not.
In regards to your second point, that's an entirely different issue and all I want to say about it is that it was over in a matter of hours, Local Democratic leaders gave out actual orders for police to stand down and let people riot. Those are the facts that we know, We could speculate about people's intent all day and open a new conversation but I'd rather not.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] 3
#27138345 - 01/09/21 07:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trumps supporters launched an insurrection against the legislative branch of the US government. They did it in his name. They marched under his flag. They chanted his name in glory and called for the deaths of those that oppose him. People were killed.
Trump is not fit to lead this country, and he’s a disgrace and those who still support him are a disgrace. What happened on Wednesday was unforgivable.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods] 2
#27138351 - 01/09/21 07:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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They killed a war veteran with a fire extinguisher. Gotta support the suckers (Trumps words for the fallen)
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138355 - 01/09/21 07:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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If all that has been said about Trump by mainstream democrats is true then an insurrection is quite understandable. Including the baseless claims that he conspired with Russia to influence the election.
So you would have have understood if Democrats had done the same thing for Hillary because of all the lies told about Obama ?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138356 - 01/09/21 07:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is a different issue but it's another way in which he potentially bears personal responsibility for how things went. The National Guard should have been there much sooner, he had the ability to make the call, and by all indications he was following what was going on.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi] 1
#27138359 - 01/09/21 07:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: IIRC liberals claimed that foreign actors influenced the election by influencing public opinion, not that the election results did not reflect what voters intended. Trump did claim in 2016 that there was a massive discrepancy between legally cast votes and the results though, and that he had actually won the 2016 popular vote.
Dont you think they undermined the electoral system when they promoted a conspiracy theory about the president elect colluding with a foreign power with no eviddence for years?
No, I don't believe that what I described casts doubt on the election system itself. Other than Trump's 2016 popular vote claims, which did cast doubt on how the election itself was conducted.
Saying the sitting president is basically a traitor and actually won the election through treason doesnt undermine the election or even as you were saying in your other post, lend its self to the understandability of insurrection?
And to be clear I think the way the 2020 election was conducted did open it up to voter fraud. So I see nothing wrong with challenging universal mail in voting and stuff like that. I do however accept the results of the election, that doesnt mean I have no probems with how it was conducted.
And Trump has now accepted defeat. idek if Hilary has accepted that the election wasnt stolen from her yet, lol. I could probably find some clips of her claiming that it was pretty late after the election. and she kept saying this despite riots upon Trump's election. Is she responsible for violence?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN] 2
#27138363 - 01/09/21 07:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude Hillary called Trump, to concede.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: koods]
#27138364 - 01/09/21 07:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: It doesn’t matter if you don’t think his words inspired their violence. The people who actually rioted were inspired to do so by his words. We know this because they said so, in posts where they discussed the violence that might be necessary.
Twitter finally banned him permanent because after he tweeted that he would not be going to the inaugural, some of his supporters were saying this was meant to communicate that it would be safe to attack the event.
It’s just easier to get rid of him and the hassle he creates
So if someone says "I killed that guy because of koods" you are responsible for murder. got it.
I geuss JD Salinger should be locked up for the murder of John Lennon.
I think leaders do bear some responsibility for the actions of their followers if they have been nspired by the leader, even if it’s a misunderstanding. I would think a leader would try to make sure his followers don’t do horrible acts in his name. The legacy of donald trump and his followers won’t be pretty. The movement has been tarnished beyond repair, and history will not speak kindly of these past four years. Its would be shameful to still support trump after Wednesday, people need to break from this dangerous personality cult.
No matter how careful you are a lunatic can find patterns anywhere and justify anything.
Trump told people to be peaceful and now he even accepts defeat which, yes he should have done in his little twitter video to the rioters I agree. but hwat more do you want from him?
I agree it was a horrible day for the country.
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#27138365 - 01/09/21 07:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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And Trump has now accepted defeat. idek if Hilary has accepted that the election wasnt stolen from her yet, lol. I could probably find some clips of her claiming that it was pretty late after the election. and she kept saying this despite riots upon Trump's election. Is she responsible for violence?
The things you don't know prove something ?
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#27138368 - 01/09/21 07:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Dude Hillary called Trump, to concede.
Ok, I didnt say anything with any certainty, Hillary conceded, maybe. She kept it up with the baseless conspiracy theory too long in any case.
Edited by BANANA.MAN (01/09/21 10:04 PM)
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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi] 2
#27138371 - 01/09/21 08:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah he wanted to give them more time to succeed. Everyone knows that’s why he delayed. It was probably his decision to leave the Capitol unfortified in first place. Every other large protest this city has had in the past year included a huge increase in police and federal mercenaries. Even tho the mayor literally told residents to completely avoid the mall and Capitol Hill because of credible threats of violence, the Capitol police were left to their own devices.
We the facts about how this transpired are pieced together, it will show complicit actions inside the White House
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