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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Psilynut2] 1
#27137494 - 01/09/21 11:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's about the only difference, aside from cops firing living rounds and killing an unarmed person.
I don't remember there ever being a moment when anyone else protesting was trying to breakdown a door where lawmakers were hiding for their lives thinking there was about to be a mass casualty event . Im still amazed only one person was shot . Those officers displayed amazing courage and self control . Your characterization of this shit is sickening to me . The George Floyd thing actually happened , the election fraud thing is a delusional fantasy . It didn't happen it's all make believe .
Do you remember when leftist rioters in Seattle blocked the exits of a police precinct and attempted to burn the building down with police inside? https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/spd-rioters-tried-trap-officers-inside-burning-precinct-using-rebar-concrete/5AERWGBGYJE7DC6CLW3PEKKAEE/
The blm/antifa/radical left lunatics that have been destroying cities and killing people over the past year were never criticized by you or any of the other leftist regulars of this forum. The maga crowd acts like them once and you all are clutching your pearls in horror. The hypocrisy you display is repulsive.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] 4
#27137504 - 01/09/21 11:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well now we got photographic proof that Aunty Fa was at the insurrection!
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi] 1
#27137506 - 01/09/21 11:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The idea that after all this, anyone can still vehemently stand behind trump and his bogus election fraud claims when absolutely no actual evidence has EVER been presented, causes me to draw comparison to a beloved pet dog that had contracted rabies.
There is no cure for rabies There is no way of communicating effectively to your pet like you used to be able to The dog will continue to react in the way that the rabies virus makes it but the dog will feel it's actions are justified and reasonable because it can't differentiate between outside influence and it's own true nature anymore
There is only one reasonable and compassionate course of action when your dog has rabies
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Of course, Enlil and koods will now say that censorship is freedom of speech, one of the most retarded things I've heard.
Have you tried to understand their rationale for saying that though? Twitter's freedom of speech and property rights mean that they are free not to provide a soapbox for communications they don't like, as long as they are not discriminating against a protected class of people. And even in that situation it can be contentious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission
Trump's freedom of speech means that he can't be punished criminally for what he says, outside of some narrowly defined offenses. And to some degree it guarantees him access to public property to do it on. But not Twitter's privately owned equipment.
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TheStallionMang said: The idea that after all this, anyone can still vehemently stand behind trump and his bogus election fraud claims when absolutely no actual evidence has EVER been presented, causes me to draw comparison to a beloved pet dog that had contracted rabies.
There is no cure for rabies There is no way of communicating effectively to your pet like you used to be able to The dog will continue to react in the way that the rabies virus makes it but the dog will feel it's actions are justified and reasonable because it can't differentiate between outside influence and it's own true nature anymore
There is only one reasonable and compassionate course of action when your dog has rabies

You’re suggesting to kill people who stand with Trump?
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Billy Ray] 2
#27137535 - 01/09/21 11:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't say that
The point is, if someone today, still believes the blatant lies just because they've been repeated enough times by the "right person" and people, then there is really no way to help them
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi] 1
#27137545 - 01/09/21 12:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Of course, Enlil and koods will now say that censorship is freedom of speech, one of the most retarded things I've heard.
Have you tried to understand their rationale for saying that though? Twitter's freedom of speech and property rights mean that they are free not to provide a soapbox for communications they don't like, as long as they are not discriminating against a protected class of people. And even in that situation it can be contentious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission
Trump's freedom of speech means that he can't be punished criminally for what he says, outside of some narrowly defined offenses. And to some degree it guarantees him access to public property to do it on. But not Twitter's privately owned equipment.
Not sure why people think a private entity has to guarantee you any rights at all.
If I want you out of my house for any reason I dont like then you're fuckin out
I dont agree with censorship in particular, but twitter isnt my company so...
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi] 1
#27137546 - 01/09/21 12:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The riots on Wednesday were the direct result of a tweet, where he said to come to DC on Jan 6th and “be wild.” It’s not like his ban was capricious.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi]
#27137551 - 01/09/21 12:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Of course, Enlil and koods will now say that censorship is freedom of speech, one of the most retarded things I've heard.
Have you tried to understand their rationale for saying that though? Twitter's freedom of speech and property rights mean that they are free not to provide a soapbox for communications they don't like, as long as they are not discriminating against a protected class of people. And even in that situation it can be contentious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission
Trump's freedom of speech means that he can't be punished criminally for what he says, outside of some narrowly defined offenses. And to some degree it guarantees him access to public property to do it on. But not Twitter's privately owned equipment.
Yes, I understand their argument. Some think censoring speech is equivalent with freedom of speech. I understand the argument that companies should be allowed to censor what they want, and I'm generally ok with that, except with monopolistic companies like Facebook. I don't view censorship as freedom of speech though, I see it as freedom to shut people up as companies wish, which again, I think is ok for non-monopolistic companies.
I've heard people argue companies should be free to censor what they want or they should be free to censor to cut down on storage costs. I get those arguments, but it seems people confuse freedom to run a business however you like with freedom of speech.
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TheStallionMang said: I didn't say that
The point is, if someone today, still believes the blatant lies just because they've been repeated enough times by the "right person" and people, then there is really no way to help them
You compared Trump supporters to a dog with rabies and posted a picture of a boy with a gun. You're full of shit.
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Billy Ray said: You’re suggesting to kill people who stand with Trump?
I didn't say that
Now you're using the Trump defense - he never actually told anyone to storm the capitol.
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I think you confuse freedom of speech with the freedom to not allow your property to be used to incite rioting and insurrection. That seems like a good business decision, and the section 230 provisions are not unlimited. if Twitter continued to permit trump to incite violence they could conceivably be held civilly liable for damage or deaths.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: Billy Ray] 2
#27137571 - 01/09/21 12:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheStallionMang said: I didn't say that
The point is, if someone today, still believes the blatant lies just because they've been repeated enough times by the "right person" and people, then there is really no way to help them
You compared Trump supporters to a dog with rabies and posted a picture of a boy with a gun. You're full of shit.
What did I tell you?
The Anti-Trumpers, rather than being driven by logic, are now driven by sheer hatred for anything they consider even the slightest bit conservative.
And it's funny, because there are a lot of legitimate reasons to hate Trump. But instead they engage in outright xenophobia, hatred, and bigotry towards their fellow countrymen merely because of their political beliefs.
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Twitter and Facebook aren't really monopolies though, they just have large user bases. Those users are free to quit if they don't like how Twitter or Facebook does things, and/or join other competing services. Remember when Myspace was the big thing? Now it's not.
If Trump's followers want to know what Trump has to say, they can follow him wherever he goes to post it. Including his own website if he wants. But nobody else's website is obligated to put up with him.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods] 1
#27137578 - 01/09/21 12:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: I think you confuse freedom of speech with the freedom to not allow your property to be used to incite rioting and insurrection. That seems like a good business decision, and the section 230 provisions are not unlimited. if Twitter continued to permit trump to incite violence they could conceivably be held civilly liable for damage or deaths.
There's plenty of evidence of lunatics calling for riots and violence on behalf of "justice" prior to Trump's "wild" tweet. Twitter doesn't care about these calls for violence.... https://nlpc.org/2020/06/01/antifas-call-to-violence-gets-free-rein-on-twitter-while-trump-is-censored/
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Billy Ray said: You’re suggesting to kill people who stand with Trump?
I didn't say that
Now you're using the Trump defense - he never actually told anyone to storm the capitol. 
The hypocrisy was intentional although the question was genuine. What CAN be done to help trumps people down from the ledge they find themselves on when they are racked with despair and anger over the election fraud lies?
Falcon91, I don't like a lot of what you post, but I actually do appreciate that you were the one to notice what I was doing there.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] 2
#27137589 - 01/09/21 12:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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chopstick said:they engage in outright xenophobia, hatred, and bigotry towards their fellow countrymen merely because of their political beliefs.
By definition, you can't have xenophobia toward your own countrymen
xen·o·pho·bi·a /ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēə/ noun dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
Thanks, chopstick, for another amazingly intelligent post and please see the post above this one

BTW, I only dislike people based on levels of chosen ignorance (ie willingness to be deceived), choosing to mislead others, people who spread fear and hatred, people to discriminate. If trump wasn't instigating a lot of bad shit for years or if he ever would've stopped being such a troll and full of hate, I could've definitely liked him but when you spread sexism, racism, hate, lies, and a bully, I can't like someone no matter what else they have good about them
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: chopstick] 3
#27137602 - 01/09/21 12:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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chopstick said: ...And it's funny, because there are a lot of legitimate reasons to hate Trump...
Finally you speak some truth.
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: koods]
#27137616 - 01/09/21 12:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: I think you confuse freedom of speech with the freedom to not allow your property to be used to incite rioting and insurrection.
Ok, I'll say it again, since you missed it the first four times:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I'll say it again since you seem to have missed it:
I totally agree calls to violence should be banned.
I'm ok with banning speech that actively incites violence
I'm ok with censoring calls to violence
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Re: Trump acolytes storm the Capitol [Re: psi] 1
#27137627 - 01/09/21 12:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: Twitter and Facebook aren't really monopolies though, they just have large user bases.
Congress already said Facebook is a monopoly.
Maybe it would help to post the legal definition of monopoly.
The link shows that to be a monopoly, it doesn't mean you're the only game in town. It means a firm has "monopoly power", which Facebook was already ruled to have.
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