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Fly agaric (death caps)
    #2713760 - 05/22/04 03:26 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

hey i was just wondering if fly agarics are really active, or whether its the poison in them that makes you trip?

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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: renholder]
    #2713805 - 05/22/04 03:39 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

not sure, but would it matter anyway? I did hear you could hallunicate but its a symptom of dieing then you die shortly after


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: shrooms777]
    #2713893 - 05/22/04 04:06 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

that's not true 77.

yes you can trip from Amanita Muscaria (first make sure it's indeed Amanuita Muscaria) but it's a completely different trip than with magic mushrooms because it contains different chemicals.
you can read more here:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: stefan]
    #2713993 - 05/22/04 05:32 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_dose.shtml


they say take 5 grams for a common dosage, thats 2 medium dry caps. can they be eaten wet, why dry? also are amanitas toxic at very high dosages? as for death cap, what is not true? I know they kill, right?


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: shrooms777]
    #2714000 - 05/22/04 05:51 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

yeah but death caps are Amanita phalloides not Muscaria. and yes Amanita phalloides have killed several people before.


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: shamantra]
    #2714003 - 05/22/04 06:02 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I hear death caps can kill even if you eat just a part of ONE mushroom, that true? seems like suicide to eat one of those


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: renholder]
    #2714126 - 05/22/04 09:05 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

a few mushroom of the lethal species within genus Amanita can make an entire kettle of stew poisonous --- & 2 or 3 days later, complete liver failure...
the "interesting" chems in A musacria & A pantherina are the simple isoxazoles, ibotenic acid & muscimol...
the toxins in the lethal species include phalloidins & other more complicated molecules...


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: gnrm23]
    #2714136 - 05/22/04 09:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It may also be worthy of note that when you consume a Death Cap or Destroying Angel, the symptoms are not experienced until it it too late. At that point the toxins have inundated you and about the only thing you can do is get medical attention, be honest to the doctors, and pray you survive.
The first rule of mushroom hunting is "when in doubt, through it out". If you are not 100% absolutely sure, are you willing to take the chance?
It's been told that most poisonous mushrooms will only give you gastric upset, but I'm not willing to take the chance that that opinion may be wrong.


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: renholder]
    #2714552 - 05/22/04 01:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Why would you even think of eating something called a Death Cap?


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: renholder]
    #2714591 - 05/22/04 02:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

For some reason, Amanita muscaria and the Death Cap have been lumped together in this thread. The Fly Agaric is active because of muscimol and ibotenic acid, and it can cause damage at high doses, but in lower doses it is relatively safe. The Death Cap is a yummy Amanita phalloid that supposedly (luckily, I can't speak from experience  :smirk:) creates no symptoms until a day or three later, and then kills you slower by shutting down your livers and kidneys. Some people do survive it, but it still creates permament liver and kidney damage (see the story of the three kids who ate the Galerina autumnalis, a mushroom with similar effects to the death cap. The girl died, and the other two boys suffered permanent internal damage.) The other major poisonous mushroom, Dying Angel or something along those lines, is similar to the Death Cap. Thankfully, they are pretty easy to identify and don't lookalike to anything active (except for Galerina autumnalis,) and as a general rule you don't want to eat white mushrooms anyway

The moral of the story is to never eat anything unidentified


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: Ravus]
    #3236460 - 10/09/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

well i t hink i found a fly agaric and was gonna take it but not sure now do these 2 diff kinds look very similar? the one i have is red with white warty spots on.


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: renholder]
    #3236480 - 10/09/04 03:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know why you lumped these two togeather... thye are two diffrent mushrooms which look very much diffrent as well.


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: gdman]
    #3237015 - 10/09/04 06:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

https://www.iamshaman.com/eshop/10Browse.asp?Category=Amanita:Dried%20Caps
So are these worth eating or will I die? Just wonderin...


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: tripUvkryP420]
    #3237167 - 10/09/04 07:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

those ARE fly agaric (at the link provided right above this post). they have been used for hundreds, mayeb thousands of years as a hallucinogen. they would not be selling mushrooms that will kill you. those are as safe as any other fly agaric, which in my opinion is relativly safe.


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Re: Fly agaric (death caps) [Re: renholder]
    #3237966 - 10/10/04 02:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Death caps don't look like muscaria. Don't worry. But before eating anything you pick, post it in the hunting forum anyway. and yeah, if you order amanita from an entho vendor, you don't need to worry. Although as far as 10x extracts go, I've never really heard of them working too well.


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